[Clipart] Odd upload. Need advice, Susan Boyle fansite CD cover.

Sun May 31 14:35:55 PDT 2009

Thanks for your feedback John.

I think more to the point is these are questions for us as well. Are
we going to set a precedent about accepting CD or DVD covers? Do
covers fall under clipart category? I'm am open to that possibility,
but currently these ones do not satisfy OCAL's requirements for
upload. Nor do they satisfy my understanding of what clipart is, nor
what OCAL is intended for.

I created that email, as I like to give people the benefit of the
doubt, and an opportunity to better themselves or their work. One
thing I have learned is to ask questions. Asking questions gives me an
opportunity to learn, as well as clarifying any potential
misunderstandings. I do not -at all- like how we librarians/admins
make public remarks on the submissions, and especially for something
like these cliparts, I think we should find out more info before
deleting or removing them. There is potential to make OCAL better BY
accepting CD/DVD covers, and I can see some instances where having
svgs of those covers would be quite useful.

What we do now will start to set precedents. I want to make sure we
librarians and admins are all on the same page. If "yes" to covers,
then I would like to know. If "no" to covers then I would like to
know.

Just because we have images in the library that are "not-clipart" is
not good grounds to continue doing allowing them to be uploaded. Can
you show me these non-cliparts or be more specific about what you
mean? I would like to see them so I can help clean up the Library - if
needed. (The Example tagged files are fine - I went though them
before.)

I guess the following is also relevant to this kind of topic. I'm
getting frustrated with asking questions about "what do we do as
Admins in this case or that?", and not receiving adequate replies to
be able to do my job. I mean, yes, I can add tags, or make sure they
fit the page boundaries...but that's not all there is to the librarian
job.

I'm trying to make OCAL better. I refuse to get stuck on mediocre, and
at the moment I'm starting to feel that OCAL is not moving forward,
and maybe never will. I'm not getting replies to my questions, things
that were discussed 3 years ago -before I came onboard- are still
hassling OCAL now, when I bring ideas for improvement they are
discarded, and broken things aren't getting fixed.

How can we expect OCAL to grow and become the best it can if the
issues and questions raised aren't getting addressed? Maybe this is a
topic for a different, perhaps private, discussion...but there it is.

On 6/1/09, John Olsen <johnny_automatic at mac.com> wrote:
> Well it seems more detailed and involved than the guy deserves. Point
> him to the guidelines and WHEN he doesn't respond after a reasonable
> time then delete them.  I think the whole first part defining clipart
> is inappropriate as we have lots of files in the library that aren't
> clipart.
>
>  From Johnny via his iPhone
>
> On May 31, 2009, at 1:39 PM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will not delete them at the moment, but I will ask the uploader to
>> satisfy these questions. Here is a proof email I will be sending
>> him. Please change or correct until you are happy with it.
>>
>> "Dear Sir,
>>
>> A number of the uploads you have submitted to the Open Clipart
>> Library (OCAL) are being investigated as to the suitability of
>> uploading to the OCAL site. Please answer these questions to the
>> satisfaction of the Admins of OCAL.
>>
>> How are the uploaded CD/DVD covers determined to be clipart? Clipart
>> is a specific genre of art and design, and currently we feel CD/DVD
>> covers do not fall under a clipart category. They may be used as
>> examples of where clipart is used, however currently, CD/DVD covers
>> are not clipart. Please satisfy the Admins as to why these covers
>> should be included in the Open Clipart Library.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipart
>>
>> Why are these images not uploaded to the Susan-Boyle.com fansite,
>> instead of an external website - (OCAL is primarly used for
>> promoting Inkscape, Svg's and clipart, rather than other forms of
>> artwork)? From the uploads it looks as if they are intended to be
>> for Susan Doyle. Please use Susan-Doyle.com to host them for where
>> they are intended.
>>
>> Are you using these uploads for hosting purposes (i.e. using OCAL's
>> bandwidth to host images?) If this is the case we suggest using one
>> of the free image hosting websites, such as photobucket, or
>> imageshack.
>> http://imageshack.us/
>>
>> If we find these do fall under a clipart category, do you have svg's
>> to upload instead of the jpgs? If, after discussion, we find that
>> these upload are acceptable, then we request that you read the
>> Guidelines first of all, afterwards we can help guide you to
>> uploading suitable formats.
>>
>> We will give you one week to respond initially, to open dialogue
>> with us. After one week if you have not responded we will remove
>> these cliparts from the Library. Thank you for reading this, we hope
>> to talk to you soon.
>>
>> Uploaded by:
>> http://openclipart.org/media/people/e2514vluo9376
>>
>> Clipart under investigation:
>> http://openclipart.org/media/files/e2514vluo9376/13412
>> http://openclipart.org/media/files/e2514vluo9376/13411
>> http://openclipart.org/media/files/e2514vluo9376/13420
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chovynz
>> (on behalf of the Admins and Librarians of the Open Clipart Library)"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Hrafn Nordhri
>> <hrafn at hrafnsvartr.com> wrote:
>> That looks like spam to me.
>> -
>> "Open war is upon you whether you would risk it or not." ~Aragorn LotR
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 12:00 +0200, Tobias Jakobs wrote:
>> > I would not like to have them in, because:
>> > 1. they are not SVGs
>> > 2. it is not clipart
>> > 3. next we will see adds as cliparts
>> > 4. I'm not sure if they have read the license
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 08:09, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > http://openclipart.org/media/files/e2514vluo9376/13412
>> > > http://openclipart.org/media/files/e2514vluo9376/13411
>> > > Uploaded by:
>> > > http://openclipart.org/media/people/e2514vluo9376
>> > >
>> > > If the person uploads the svg, are these acceptable? I suspect
>> they are
>> > > using these for hosting...or that the uploader doesn't
>> understand what this
>> > > website is for.
>> > >
>> > > My inclination is to remove it, as Susan Boyle has signed (or
>> may be
>> > > signing) a contract with Sony Music, and it is likely these "CD-
>> DVD covers"
>> > > will be using music that they do not have licence to do so. I
>> don't want
>> > > OCAL to start becoming a facilitator for pirated music CD fan
>> covers.
>> > >
>> > > Or
>> > >
>> > > We could ask them to upload the svg, and leave it at that.
>> > >
>> > > The other question that comes out of this: Can CD/DVD covers be
>> classified
>> > > as Public Domain?
>> > > What are your thoughts on this upload, and the last question?
>> > > --
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Chovynz
>> > >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chovynz
>

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Cheers
Chovynz