[Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website

worms invasion wormsxulla at yahoo.com
Mon Sep 21 00:55:44 PDT 2009 

Hi,

I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would be a pity for the open source community if the project was abandonned, for any reason.

I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best way to solve a problem. :-)

I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do something tonight.

He also agreed that a community project can't just depend on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with maintenance and development of the site will have the opportunity to be *more* involved.

Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for tonight :-)

Regards.

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com> wrote:

> From: Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> To: "chovynz" <chovynz at gmail.com>
> Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>, clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
> Hang in there everyone.
> 
> OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.  Is
> it the right 
> idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
> ahead of their time, 
> though, it takes a while for technology/software/social
> climate to get 
> it all together.
> 
> So take heart and be patient.
> 
> And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
> position with time and 
> talent to contribute.  University/college students,
> friends - anyone 
> with a talent and idea and an interest.
> 
> Get them involved.
> 
> Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you would
> work in your spare 
> time to get all the pieces together.
> 
> One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
> awesome!
> 
> Alan
> 
> chovynz wrote:
> > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
> >
> > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is for
> everyone not
> > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I agree
> with all that
> > you have written.
> >
> > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is an
> educated guess),
> > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this particular
> problem. And they
> > haven't said anything in reply to the emails which
> I've sent them.
> >
> > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick up
> (which I would have
> > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills are
> needed, since
> > communication has effectively stopped. Which is sad,
> because the
> > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little* group
> that we
> > currently have.
> >
> > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't know
> what the problems
> > are, but everything has halted. This is not a good
> situation, and last
> > time I tried to say something I was told -paraphrased
> "Remember this
> > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So ...
> Since I can't fix
> > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
> decided to not push
> > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I need
> to.
> >
> > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
> great! we can move
> > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes the
> problem, as long as
> > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting their
> attention. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >   
> >> Well, thanks :-)
> >>
> >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2 years
> now, so I do hang around
> >> and talk occasionally ;-)
> >>
> >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
> actually the only mean Users, ,
> >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and Developers
> have to communicate about
> >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from list
> subscribers, and also bug
> >> reports.
> >>
> >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept, 11th,
> uploads to OCAL have
> >> stopped since July 31st.
> >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies on
> users contributions for its
> >> content, appears dead to both the group of Users
> ("No new cliparts
> >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
> ("where am I going this new
> >> clipart I made?")
> >> These two groups are the most numerous groups
> among the Users, Clipart
> >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers groups.
> >> Another thing is that bug reports have not been
> touched nor assigned.
> >>
> >> I do understand that the limited number of people
> who might be able to fix
> >> the errors are away or busy. On the other hand,
> there have been news posted
> >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads ceased to
> work, so this means that
> >> not all are busy all the time or away all the
> time.
> >>
> >> There are many other sites presenting cliparts to
> the public on the
> >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents a
> community effort to share
> >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That was, I
> believe, the goal of its
> >> founders, people from various projects (Ted Gould,
> Bryce Harrignton, Jon
> >> Philips, among others... from the archive of this
> list, which goes back to
> >> 2004)
> >>
> >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a long
> while - and 6 weeks *is* a
> >> long time on the Internet - , users will simply be
> discouraged from
> >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart site,
> which might, or might
> >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose the
> benefits of years of
> >> contributions and usage, and that will be a pity,
> really.
> >> We will also lose the potential help of new
> developers, if
> >> maintenance/development problems appear
> unanswered.
> >>
> >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be worth to
> allow more people to be
> >> involved with the site maintenance? It doesn't
> need to be a dozen people,
> >> just a few... with the right permissions?
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering this
> concern.
> >>
> >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we call
> OCAL 2.0... but in my
> >> understanding, this is less urgent (although it is
> important).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>     
> >>> From: chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads
> to the website
> >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> >>> Cc: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53 AM
> >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
> >>> Librarians can do.
> >>> There's only a limited number of people that
> can fix the
> >>> problems
> >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
> >>>
> >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come out
> it'll be
> >>> fantastic and I'll
> >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all it's
> worth. (and
> >>> that is worth
> >>> very much!)
> >>>
> >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> Hello.
> >>>>
> >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers.
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> >>>>         
> >>> wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
> uploads to the
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> website
> >>>       
> >>>>> To: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:13
> PM
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was wondering whether there was any
> news about
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> the upload
> >>>       
> >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The last upload appearing is dated
> from July,31st
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> 2009, so
> >>>       
> >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
> hasn't been
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> restored yet?
> >>>       
> >>>>> We've seen at least two bug reports
> >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
> >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
> >>>>>
> >>>>> but nothing in them indicates what has
> been done.
> >>>>> There is also no assignee to these bug
> reports.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking out
> the situation,
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> or
> >>>       
> >>>>> investigating, or... doing what needs
> to be done,
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> why it
> >>>       
> >>>>> broke, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for any information - it would
> really be a
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> pity if
> >>>       
> >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart can
> be uploaded
> >>>>>       
>    
> >>> :-)
> >>>       
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >   
>

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