[Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website

Thu Sep 24 11:34:19 PDT 2009

Thanks guys, you are great!

Jon

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Rudy O'Riley <rudyo-riley at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you michi (Michael) and Victor.
> Regards,
> RudyO
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:01 AM
> To: <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Uploads are working again.
>> Many thanks to michi (Michael) and Victor.
>>
>> wormsxulla
>>
>> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>>> To: "chovynz" <chovynz at gmail.com>, "Alan" <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>>> Cc: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:55 AM
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is
>>> that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would
>>> be a pity for the open source community if the project was
>>> abandonned, for any reason.
>>>
>>> I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best
>>> way to solve a problem. :-)
>>>
>>> I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do
>>> something tonight.
>>>
>>> He also agreed that a community project can't just depend
>>> on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the
>>> volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with
>>> maintenance and development of the site will have the
>>> opportunity to be *more* involved.
>>>
>>> Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for
>>> tonight :-)
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>>> website
>>> > To: "chovynz" <chovynz at gmail.com>
>>> > Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>,
>>> clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>>> > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
>>> > Hang in there everyone.
>>> >
>>> > OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.
>>> Is
>>> > it the right
>>> > idea?  Absolutely. Like most things just a little
>>> > ahead of their time,
>>> > though, it takes a while for
>>> technology/software/social
>>> > climate to get
>>> > it all together.
>>> >
>>> > So take heart and be patient.
>>> >
>>> > And recruit, please.  Anyone you know who is in a
>>> > position with time and
>>> > talent to contribute.  University/college students,
>>> > friends - anyone
>>> > with a talent and idea and an interest.
>>> >
>>> > Get them involved.
>>> >
>>> > Treat it like a fun project.  Like a puzzle you
>>> would
>>> > work in your spare
>>> > time to get all the pieces together.
>>> >
>>> > One little bit at a time.  The end picture will be
>>> > awesome!
>>> >
>>> > Alan
>>> >
>>> > chovynz wrote:
>>> > > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
>>> > >
>>> > > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is
>>> for
>>> > everyone not
>>> > > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I
>>> agree
>>> > with all that
>>> > > you have written.
>>> > >
>>> > > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is
>>> an
>>> > educated guess),
>>> > > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this
>>> particular
>>> > problem. And they
>>> > > haven't said anything in reply to the emails
>>> which
>>> > I've sent them.
>>> > >
>>> > > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick
>>> up
>>> > (which I would have
>>> > > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills
>>> are
>>> > needed, since
>>> > > communication has effectively stopped. Which is
>>> sad,
>>> > because the
>>> > > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little*
>>> group
>>> > that we
>>> > > currently have.
>>> > >
>>> > > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't
>>> know
>>> > what the problems
>>> > > are, but everything has halted. This is not a
>>> good
>>> > situation, and last
>>> > > time I tried to say something I was told
>>> -paraphrased
>>> > "Remember this
>>> > > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So
>>> ...
>>> > Since I can't fix
>>> > > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
>>> > decided to not push
>>> > > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I
>>> need
>>> > to.
>>> > >
>>> > > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
>>> > great! we can move
>>> > > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes
>>> the
>>> > problem, as long as
>>> > > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting
>>> their
>>> > attention. :)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Well, thanks :-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2
>>> years
>>> > now, so I do hang around
>>> > >> and talk occasionally ;-)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
>>> > actually the only mean Users, ,
>>> > >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and
>>> Developers
>>> > have to communicate about
>>> > >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from
>>> list
>>> > subscribers, and also bug
>>> > >> reports.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept,
>>> 11th,
>>> > uploads to OCAL have
>>> > >> stopped since July 31st.
>>> > >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies
>>> on
>>> > users contributions for its
>>> > >> content, appears dead to both the group of
>>> Users
>>> > ("No new cliparts
>>> > >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
>>> > ("where am I going this new
>>> > >> clipart I made?")
>>> > >> These two groups are the most numerous
>>> groups
>>> > among the Users, Clipart
>>> > >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers
>>> groups.
>>> > >> Another thing is that bug reports have not
>>> been
>>> > touched nor assigned.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I do understand that the limited number of
>>> people
>>> > who might be able to fix
>>> > >> the errors are away or busy. On the other
>>> hand,
>>> > there have been news posted
>>> > >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads
>>> ceased to
>>> > work, so this means that
>>> > >> not all are busy all the time or away all
>>> the
>>> > time.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> There are many other sites presenting
>>> cliparts to
>>> > the public on the
>>> > >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents
>>> a
>>> > community effort to share
>>> > >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That
>>> was, I
>>> > believe, the goal of its
>>> > >> founders, people from various projects (Ted
>>> Gould,
>>> > Bryce Harrignton, Jon
>>> > >> Philips, among others... from the archive of
>>> this
>>> > list, which goes back to
>>> > >> 2004)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a
>>> long
>>> > while - and 6 weeks *is* a
>>> > >> long time on the Internet - , users will
>>> simply be
>>> > discouraged from
>>> > >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart
>>> site,
>>> > which might, or might
>>> > >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose
>>> the
>>> > benefits of years of
>>> > >> contributions and usage, and that will be a
>>> pity,
>>> > really.
>>> > >> We will also lose the potential help of new
>>> > developers, if
>>> > >> maintenance/development problems appear
>>> > unanswered.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be
>>> worth to
>>> > allow more people to be
>>> > >> involved with the site maintenance? It
>>> doesn't
>>> > need to be a dozen people,
>>> > >> just a few... with the right permissions?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering
>>> this
>>> > concern.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we
>>> call
>>> > OCAL 2.0... but in my
>>> > >> understanding, this is less urgent (although
>>> it is
>>> > important).
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> From: chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the
>>> uploads
>>> > to the website
>>> > >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> > >>> Cc: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>>> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53
>>> AM
>>> > >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>>> > >>> Librarians can do.
>>> > >>> There's only a limited number of people
>>> that
>>> > can fix the
>>> > >>> problems
>>> > >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come
>>> out
>>> > it'll be
>>> > >>> fantastic and I'll
>>> > >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all
>>> it's
>>> > worth. (and
>>> > >>> that is worth
>>> > >>> very much!)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> Hello.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Cheers.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion
>>> <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>>> > >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
>>> > uploads to the
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> website
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> To: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009,
>>> 6:13
>>> > PM
>>> > >>>>> Hello,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> I was wondering whether there was
>>> any
>>> > news about
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> the upload
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> The last upload appearing is
>>> dated
>>> > from July,31st
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> 2009, so
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
>>> > hasn't been
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> restored yet?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> We've seen at least two bug
>>> reports
>>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> but nothing in them indicates
>>> what has
>>> > been done.
>>> > >>>>> There is also no assignee to
>>> these bug
>>> > reports.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking
>>> out
>>> > the situation,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> or
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> investigating, or... doing what
>>> needs
>>> > to be done,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> why it
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> broke, etc.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Thanks for any information - it
>>> would
>>> > really be a
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> pity if
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart
>>> can
>>> > be uploaded
>>> > >>>>>
>>> >
>>> > >>> :-)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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