[Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
Rudy O'Riley
rudyo-riley at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 24 08:43:10 PDT 2009
Thank you michi (Michael) and Victor.
Regards,
RudyO
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From: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:01 AM
To: <clipart at lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
> Hello,
>
> Uploads are working again.
> Many thanks to michi (Michael) and Victor.
>
> wormsxulla
>
> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the website
>> To: "chovynz" <chovynz at gmail.com>, "Alan" <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>> Cc: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 3:55 AM
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't know if OCAL is heading of its time, all I know is
>> that is has been around for 5 years now, and that it would
>> be a pity for the open source community if the project was
>> abandonned, for any reason.
>>
>> I also think that hanging around is sometimes not the best
>> way to solve a problem. :-)
>>
>> I grabbed rejon this morning on IRC, and he promised to do
>> something tonight.
>>
>> He also agreed that a community project can't just depend
>> on one person, who can be very busy, so, very soon, the
>> volunteers and the developers who are ready to help with
>> maintenance and development of the site will have the
>> opportunity to be *more* involved.
>>
>> Thanks, rejon, for your time, we keep our fingers cross for
>> tonight :-)
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Alan <alan at ccnsweb.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the uploads to the
>> website
>> > To: "chovynz" <chovynz at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>,
>> clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>> > Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 11:33 PM
>> > Hang in there everyone.
>> >
>> > OpenClipart is about 2-3 years ahead of it's time.
>> Is
>> > it the right
>> > idea? Absolutely. Like most things just a little
>> > ahead of their time,
>> > though, it takes a while for
>> technology/software/social
>> > climate to get
>> > it all together.
>> >
>> > So take heart and be patient.
>> >
>> > And recruit, please. Anyone you know who is in a
>> > position with time and
>> > talent to contribute. University/college students,
>> > friends - anyone
>> > with a talent and idea and an interest.
>> >
>> > Get them involved.
>> >
>> > Treat it like a fun project. Like a puzzle you
>> would
>> > work in your spare
>> > time to get all the pieces together.
>> >
>> > One little bit at a time. The end picture will be
>> > awesome!
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> > chovynz wrote:
>> > > I'm not the one who can answer your questions.
>> > >
>> > > And yes, I'm well aware that this mailing list is
>> for
>> > everyone not
>> > > just Librarians. I did not state otherwise. :) I
>> agree
>> > with all that
>> > > you have written.
>> > >
>> > > However, as I replied, as far as I know (which is
>> an
>> > educated guess),
>> > > only Jon, Michi and Basil(?) can fix this
>> particular
>> > problem. And they
>> > > haven't said anything in reply to the emails
>> which
>> > I've sent them.
>> > >
>> > > Someone has dropped the ball, that I can't pick
>> up
>> > (which I would have
>> > > otherwise picked up), and don't know what skills
>> are
>> > needed, since
>> > > communication has effectively stopped. Which is
>> sad,
>> > because the
>> > > potential of OCAL is far more than this *little*
>> group
>> > that we
>> > > currently have.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know what we are waiting for. I don't
>> know
>> > what the problems
>> > > are, but everything has halted. This is not a
>> good
>> > situation, and last
>> > > time I tried to say something I was told
>> -paraphrased
>> > "Remember this
>> > > is a volunteer thing. Solutions take time." So
>> ...
>> > Since I can't fix
>> > > the problem, and this is a "volunteer thing", I
>> > decided to not push
>> > > too hard and just wait. I can wait as long as I
>> need
>> > to.
>> > >
>> > > If Jon or Michi ends up listening to you, that's
>> > great! we can move
>> > > forward again. I frankly don't care who fixes
>> the
>> > problem, as long as
>> > > someone does. I can't. Good luck in attracting
>> their
>> > attention. :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/21/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Well, thanks :-)
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm a subscriber to this list for almost 2
>> years
>> > now, so I do hang around
>> > >> and talk occasionally ;-)
>> > >>
>> > >> This list is not only for librarians, it's
>> > actually the only mean Users, ,
>> > >> Clipart contributors, Librarians, and
>> Developers
>> > have to communicate about
>> > >> OCAL. That's why it receives messages from
>> list
>> > subscribers, and also bug
>> > >> reports.
>> > >>
>> > >> As I was saying in my first message on Sept,
>> 11th,
>> > uploads to OCAL have
>> > >> stopped since July 31st.
>> > >> Basically, it means that OCAL, which relies
>> on
>> > users contributions for its
>> > >> content, appears dead to both the group of
>> Users
>> > ("No new cliparts
>> > >> uploaded?") and to the Clipart contributors
>> > ("where am I going this new
>> > >> clipart I made?")
>> > >> These two groups are the most numerous
>> groups
>> > among the Users, Clipart
>> > >> contributors, Librarians, and Developers
>> groups.
>> > >> Another thing is that bug reports have not
>> been
>> > touched nor assigned.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do understand that the limited number of
>> people
>> > who might be able to fix
>> > >> the errors are away or busy. On the other
>> hand,
>> > there have been news posted
>> > >> to the main OCAL page since the uploads
>> ceased to
>> > work, so this means that
>> > >> not all are busy all the time or away all
>> the
>> > time.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are many other sites presenting
>> cliparts to
>> > the public on the
>> > >> Internet, OCAL is great because it represents
>> a
>> > community effort to share
>> > >> cliparts with the most "open" license. That
>> was, I
>> > believe, the goal of its
>> > >> founders, people from various projects (Ted
>> Gould,
>> > Bryce Harrignton, Jon
>> > >> Philips, among others... from the archive of
>> this
>> > list, which goes back to
>> > >> 2004)
>> > >>
>> > >> Now, if our site appears unmaintained for a
>> long
>> > while - and 6 weeks *is* a
>> > >> long time on the Internet - , users will
>> simply be
>> > discouraged from
>> > >> visiting, and will switch to another clipart
>> site,
>> > which might, or might
>> > >> not, support the same "cause". We will lose
>> the
>> > benefits of years of
>> > >> contributions and usage, and that will be a
>> pity,
>> > really.
>> > >> We will also lose the potential help of new
>> > developers, if
>> > >> maintenance/development problems appear
>> > unanswered.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, what could be done? Maybe it would be
>> worth to
>> > allow more people to be
>> > >> involved with the site maintenance? It
>> doesn't
>> > need to be a dozen people,
>> > >> just a few... with the right permissions?
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for reading, and I hope, answering
>> this
>> > concern.
>> > >>
>> > >> P.S.: I also see nothing new about what we
>> call
>> > OCAL 2.0... but in my
>> > >> understanding, this is less urgent (although
>> it is
>> > important).
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> From: chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com>
>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Clipart] Status of the
>> uploads
>> > to the website
>> > >>> To: "worms invasion" <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> > >>> Cc: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>> > >>> Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 6:53
>> AM
>> > >>> Nope. Just, there's nothing the
>> > >>> Librarians can do.
>> > >>> There's only a limited number of people
>> that
>> > can fix the
>> > >>> problems
>> > >>> server side, and those are busy or away.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Just hang in there. When Ocal 2.0 come
>> out
>> > it'll be
>> > >>> fantastic and I'll
>> > >>> be pushing it on all my friends for all
>> it's
>> > worth. (and
>> > >>> that is worth
>> > >>> very much!)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 9/20/09, worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Hello.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So... Is OCAL dead?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cheers.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, worms invasion
>> <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> From: worms invasion <wormsxulla at yahoo.com>
>> > >>>>> Subject: [Clipart] Status of the
>> > uploads to the
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> website
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> To: clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
>> > >>>>> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009,
>> 6:13
>> > PM
>> > >>>>> Hello,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> I was wondering whether there was
>> any
>> > news about
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> the upload
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> problem to http://openclipart.org
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> The last upload appearing is
>> dated
>> > from July,31st
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> 2009, so
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> I guess the upload functionality
>> > hasn't been
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> restored yet?
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> We've seen at least two bug
>> reports
>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23312
>> > >>>>> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23527
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> but nothing in them indicates
>> what has
>> > been done.
>> > >>>>> There is also no assignee to
>> these bug
>> > reports.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Is anyone in charge of checking
>> out
>> > the situation,
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> or
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> investigating, or... doing what
>> needs
>> > to be done,
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> why it
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> broke, etc.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Thanks for any information - it
>> would
>> > really be a
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> pity if
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> OCAL was dying because no clipart
>> can
>> > be uploaded
>> > >>>>>
>> >
>> > >>> :-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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