[Clipart] Librarians be aware of http://www.freeclipartnow.com

[Jarod Russel]

Fact is that if the majority or at least Jon decides not to allow images 
that appear on freeclipartnow, there is a lot of cliparts to hide. If 
you look through there archives you will find quite a few cliparts that 
are already a long time on OCAL. Just the other day I used a blue bass 
guitar I found on OCAL for a design and freeclipartnow has the same 
image in their collection.

PD clearly states that there are no rights whatsoever. Meaning also no 
rights to make restrictions. Otherwise those images are not PD. It is 
most likely that the owner has no clue and probably has not even made 
any of the images himself, rather than collecting pd works. Therefore he 
has no right to make restrictions, why should anybody, whether it is me 
or OCAL care about those restrictions then?

I see things said like "safe PD". There is no such thing. There are no 
different ways of public domain. Nothing should stop members of OCAL to 
upload these cliparts if they are true pd, and not like we have seen it 
here often, uploaded without understanding what pd is. For OCAL the main 
point should be to figure out whether the clipart is PD or not. 
Everything else like where it comes from or which sites the clipart can 
be found on does not matter.

Something said on the end. If I seem to be rude or offending to anyone, 
be assured I do not mean to. I try to make myself clear as good as 
possible in english, but sometimes its hard to find the right words or 
ways to say something. So don't take my words to hard on yourself.

Am 16-Jun-10 04:03 PM, schrieb chovynz:
> Yes we did have this issue, but on different clipart. I was just 
> supporting the conclusion that I read from that thread.
>
> I think it does matter that other sites restrict use of their stuff. 
> As I said on some other issues, I really don't care, either way, I 
> just want to be sure I'm taking the right actions. I don't like to 
> make this kind of messy "legal" and "moral" decision, so I'll support 
> the decision we come to. I've been trying to pin Jon down on this 
> issue for awhile now for him to make a decision on it, but he keeps 
> dodging. :-) Ultimately it's "his" site, so a decision from him on 
> this would be nice. Do we ignore their Few Exceptions or do we 
> consider their PD free-game (and us viewed as a "bully".)
>
> At the moment I think our policy on "safe" PD stops us from using any 
> clipart from sites that make silly exceptions like this, because once 
> you put any requirements on a PD clipart, it's no longer PD.
>
> I would like some clarity on this, and I think ultimatelt only the 
> Site Owners (Jon + ?) can decide. We can try to influence them either way.
>
> I'm against taking clipart from sites that make exceptions like these. 
> John Olson is against (as far as I understand.) I think Nicubunu might 
> be against, but I'm not sure.
> Jarod is for "not caring" about their exceptions.
>
> Anyone else want to have their say?
>
> Cheers
> Chovynz
>
>
> On 16/06/2010 6:21 p.m., Jarod Russel wrote:
>> Didn't we had this just the other day? If their cliparts are pd than 
>> their "Few Exceptions" do not matter, except for the logo and 
>> trademark one. Such restrictions are pointless and can be ignored 
>> with real pd material.
>>
>> Am 16-Jun-10 02:51 PM, schrieb chovynz:
>>> Clipart from http://www.freeclipartnow.com cannot be accepted.
>>> Taken from http://www.freeclipartnow.com/termsofuse.php on 16 June 
>>> 2010, at 5:46pm
>>>
>>> *"Product Usage*
>>> All graphics on this site are placed into the Public Domain, which 
>>> means that you can do almost whatever you wish with it. You can put 
>>> the clipart into your own drawings and documents without any affect 
>>> on the copyright or license of your work.
>>>
>>> Few Exceptions.
>>>
>>>     * Company logos and trademarks can be used under "fair use"
>>>       policy. More info here
>>>       <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos>.
>>>     * You may NOT use any component of our clipart or site content
>>>       to produce what could be directly or indirectly considered a
>>>       competitive venture against us.
>>>     * It's not necessary to provide a link back to this site, but it
>>>       would be greatly appreciated"
>>>
>>> Clipart affected.
>>> http://www.openclipart.org/index.php?pretty=detail/67141
>>>
>>>
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