Question about the future of Xorg

[gene heskett]

On 7/7/25 00:05, Vladimir Dergachev wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2025, gene heskett wrote:
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>>>
>>> No problem then:)
>>>
>>> You don't actually need to mess with a quarter of xorg code, as most 
>>> of xorg works just fine. The only problem that might arise is lack 
>>> of support for newer cards.
>>>
>>> This is an issue we had before 25 years ago, and as Carsten and Alan 
>>> explained to me is much easier now as Wayland compositors don't have 
>>> their own drivers at all, but rather use mesa and other kernel 
>>> interfaces.
>>>
>>> So, if necessary, it should be possible to write an Xorg driver that 
>>> does the same.
>> When debian switched I thought it was good, but years later I am 
>> still stuck with NON GUI apt to stay current with the rest of the 
>> system. Why can't I have a gui like synaptic so I can see whats 
>> available BEFORE I install it?
>>> best
>
> With KDE (kubuntu) there is "Discover" package manager that runs from 
> user space. It asks you for root password before you install.
>
> I actually thought that's how synaptic worked as well, but maybe I 
> forget.
>
> Starting X apps as another user will not work unless you share your 
> Xauthority file or disable that.

I thank you for your interest.

Disable?

How?

I'm the only user, and I can sudo anything else UNTIL I try to run 
synaptic from a shell. Its available in the bookworm menu's and ask's me 
for my usr pw and then runs ok on Wayland. But running it directly from 
a shell with sudo is denied with a snotty msg I assume comes from some 
non gui app that has yet to reveal its identity.  Using the mouse to 
activate the menu is frustrating because the mouse, despite being 
programmed for 1 pixel which should make it slow, actually moves 20 or 
more pixels just for hovering my hand above it, true with every mouse, 
mostly logitek M325's, that I have, making it damned near impossible to 
actually click on the correct name in the menu's gui.  copy/paste 
opertions have to be undone and re-pasted several times to get it right. 
It has moved the pointer enough to miss the name by up to 4 names. And 
this bullet-like speed mouse seems not to be debian related, I'm running 
3 3d printers with armbian, jammy is usable but nobel is spastic often 
refusing to redraw the mouse and all 3 with suitable mice, can move the 
pointer over all of a 27" monitors with under 2" of mouse motion. I am 
considering redoing the whole front end using jammy only.

I also run 4 metal carving machines with linuxcnc, all running Wheezy as 
its taken years to get linuxcnc running with python3. Those are also 
using the logitek M325 mouse but on Wheezy they are good. I'm on 
speaking terms with OpenSCAD.

> best

Thank you Vladimir Dergachev

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET

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