[Clipart] OpenClipart and Debian.
dcarrera at math.umd.edu
Wed Jan 12 23:35:06 PST 2005
Bryce Harrington wrote:
> Well, clearly you're offending people here on this list, so while you
> claim to be respectful of other people's sensitivities, clearly you're
> failing to do so here.
Ah. I didn't know that. This is the first time someone says that.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone. Please accept my sincere apologies.
> Your emails sound like you are demanding us to become censors for
I honestly can't imagine who you see that in my emails. I proposed to
separate UN and Olympic flags from other flags. That's not censorship, but
it still addresses the issue well enough. And I made very effort to say
that OCAL is not expected to bend over backwards for everyone. Just make a
You seem to think I suggested something dramatic like putting a police
officer at the entrance of OCAL. I suggested a separate category for
non-UN non-Olympic flags.
> > Please don't say that, it's not nice. And no, I'm not.
> Well, within the past few days you've suggested that the people here are
> insensitive, unreasonable, and irresponsible.
I think that some coments have been insensitive. I haven't used the other
terms though, nor did I think them. That's not picking a fight. And it's
no more than what other members have done. I've seen belittling of
opinions that are not shared by a poster, and that is insensitive.
You know? I actually don't think the Nazi flag is offensive. I just accept
that many find it offensive and I accept it.
> You've called people's comments and positions irrelevant and silly.
That's not an insult, and they were accurate statements. Whether one
particular person doesn't agree with someone's culture/morality/etc is not
the issue. I don't think the Nazi flag is offensive, I don't find it
offensive, but that is irrelevant. The point is that a significant group
of people do.
> These are all rather rude things to say to people, and makes them angry
> and quarrelsome. This is why I say that someone could think you're
> trying to pick a fight.
Okay, I can accept that some things I said might have come accross badly.
Email is a poor medium of communication. I can't convey such things as
tone of voice and body language. Something that might sound perfectly
reasonable to me when I write it might sound different to you when you
read it. I apologize for any offence I might have caused. Really.
> It would be preferrable to focus your comments onto the solutions Ted
> proposed rather than arguing about the opinions he expresses.
I'll give this some thought. I'm not sure I agree, but I'm not sure I
> In some of your emails it does sound like you are proposing for complete
> removal of the flag. It is good that you clarify that.
My first email might have seemed like that. I admit I hadn't thought about
alternatives throughly. So I suggested a "clean" archive and another for
other things. Even that is not a removal, but it has problems. In my
second email I refined the proposal to the non-UN non-Olympic flags thing.
> In other emails
> you have proposed use of keywords to mark the flags, which actually has
> already been implemented. However, you do not appear to acknowledge
> that we already have an approach planned out for this, and much of the
> code implemented for it.
I'd like to propose that there be keywords that provide more granulaity
than just "flags" as above.
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