[Clipart] - Possible Violation?

chovynz chovynz at gmail.com
Thu Mar 19 14:08:23 PDT 2009

Resent to mailing list. Sorry. I sent in error to one person.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, chovynz <chovynz at gmail.com> wrote:

> I suggest we ask both of them to clarify. Give them our mission statement
> and goals. If they are using PD works, then they cannot restrict us, as by
> doing so restricting us they themselves are violating (my understanding of)
> PD. However if they own or have made (as I suspect Karen has done some of
> them, then we can ask for exceptions or something. I wouldn't delete them
> until we have cleared up the issues and meanings on their website with them.
> WPclipart is "free" game, however he might not appreciate us grabbing them.
> Not that he can do anything about it. Again I suggest opening dialogue with
> him. I've had a look at the artwork on the site and think we can do better.
> I understand the differences between Karens statement and WPclipart to be;
> Karen is claiming partial copyright, while WP acknowledges his are PD. All
> he's done is collected and edited. I think he's giving permission. But check
> with him.
> 2009/3/20 Joanna Pszenicyn <papapishu at gmail.com>
>> Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> >I am not the person who flagged it, but I suspect is about this:
>> > http://karenswhimsy.com/image-ordering.shtm#terms<http://karenswhimsy.com/image-ordering.shtm#terms>
>> We have about 7 images from that page, mainly angel wings, as searching
>> for "karenswhimsy" shows.
>> We also have many images from wpclipart.com (search for "wpclipart"), and
>> his terms of use are:
>> [...]
>> These images are public domain (PD), and that means they can be used and
>> edited for whatever purpose you wish, personal or commercial. No
>> attrribution or linking is required, (although a link would be nice...)
>> I only make one request:
>> My website is mine. I do not expect anyone to copy my site or the image
>> collection (in large part) to host online or sell. This would compete with
>> my site, draining what revenue I generate through online ads. These pay for
>> hosting and modestly compensate me all the ink I use in test printing and
>> for the hundreds of hours I spend finding, creating and editing images.
>> [...]
>> What is the difference between this statement and that from karenswhimsy?
>> Karen, the owner of karenswhimsy, also calls her collection "Public Domain",
>> but then adds some restrictions. Yeah, I know that she has right to do so,
>> but why write on top of the page
>> http://karenswhimsy.com/public-domain-images/:
>> "WELCOME! :: You have arrived at the main page for my *public domain
>> images*. On the following pages you will find hundreds of beautiful
>> images gleaned from my collection of old books, magazines, and postcards.
>> They are all from material printed prior to 1923 and are in the public
>> domain."
>> It is at least misleading :(
>> So, should delete at once all images from karenswhimsy.com or only tag
>> them as pd_issue? And what about wpclipart? _Do_ we have a permission for
>> every single image, or do we just feel that the words "[...] That said, if
>> you wish to include the collection within a GPL-ed Linux distribution or
>> create a package for that distribution, you are more than welcome to do so.
>> I am a big proponent of Open Source [...]" are a "general" permission?????
>> Somewhat lost again,
>> Papapishu
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