Fwd: Results of the freedesktop summit
thiago at kde.org
Wed Apr 17 11:57:14 PDT 2013
On quarta-feira, 17 de abril de 2013 18.58.42, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Well, this was mostly to get Ryan up to speed. But sure, I'll ask
> everybody else to leave the room next time, when we talk this through
> with Ryan, if that's what you want.
Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was led to believe it was a presentation,
which would beg the question why it would be suitable for them and not for us.
I stand corrected.
> Well, for starters, it's a *mailing* *list*. When you hack and try to
> figure out what you want to do, it's *much* better to do that face to
> face, and that's what we did. The whole reason why Kay and I went down
> to Nuremberg is to have face-to-face discussions, and the emphasis here
> is on "face-to-face"...
I completely understand that.
> If you are pissed that we didn't include you in these face-to-face
> discussions, then maybe you should think about attending too, the next
> time? AFAIK you were invited to the meeting...
I'm not pissed. I was simply trying to understand what was going on. As you
can see, I had a lot of misunderstandings because nothing has been
communicated to the D-Bus developers. That's what drove my frustration.
After asking around, talking to Greg and getting these replies, I finally
understood what is going on.
And yes, I knew the meeting was happening, but as I said it was poorly
> > I asked some people that question and the answer that satisfied me is
> > "we're experimenting, we quite frankly don't need the bikeshed just yet.
> > But soon.". No offence meant or taken on that, I know how things are once
> > you go public.
> Yeah, and that's pretty much how it is. We don't want the bikshedding for
> But I guess it's a dilemma. Either the bikeshedding or Thiago
> complaining. Jeez.
Please don't take this the wrong way. I am looking forward to the solutions
you guys implement. I also understand the bikeshedding that will happen when
you finally present the solution, so it's better to stay focused with a small
group and meet face-to-face.
I wish I could also participate, but I know that I don't have the time, so I
won't ask for it.
But also understand that you guys are not (yet) tapping on the pool of
knowledge on this mailing list. Just don't forget that. For example, I did set
Greg on a momentary bind by mentioning three-connection delivery ordering, a
use-case he had not thought of. but that fortunately the new solution does not
I still think you guys could have communicated better with us -- twice this
topic has come up and it's been because other people elsewhere, on other lists
and forums, have brought it up. A lot could have been avoided by a proactive
email here or there.
Yes, I was complaining. So thank you for addressing my concerns. Hack on and
know we're here. Until I hear otherwise, I'll keep assuming it's still at
experimentation stage and better left to the people who have the time to work
Thiago Macieira - thiago (AT) macieira.info - thiago (AT) kde.org
Software Architect - Intel Open Source Technology Center
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