[gst-devel] Totem or no Totem was Re: GNOME Development Series Snapshot 2.3.0: "Mighty Atom"

Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller Uraeus at linuxrising.org
Sat Apr 12 05:41:03 CEST 2003

On Sat, 2003-04-12 at 14:22, Jorn Baayen wrote:
> Hi
> lör 2003-04-12 klockan 13.49 skrev Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller:
> [snip]
> > > > > (I hope that people will start using the BaconVideoWidget in their
> > > > > applications for playback, it would ease the port to GStreamer when it
> > > > > is done.)
> > > > Well we already have new projects using the gstplay widget which doesn't need 
> > > > porting to GStreamer.
> > > 
> > > Which ones ?
> > Lymric and GetControl are two. My basic point is why use a widget that needs porting when
> > there is one that doesn't.
> Some people actually want to watch movies.. my success rate with
> gst-player has been below 0 zero far, while with Totem I have been
> playing my movies for months now without any problems.
And I used gxine for a month due to having problems getting Totem to
run, is this to be a debate about who can come up with the most
anecdotal evidence?

>  Sure, GStreamer
> is the way to go, but it's not ready yet for mainstream use - there's
> really no denying there. Why can't everyone just use the same
> videowidget with both gst and xine backends, and then we can go with
> xine for the time being - since it Just Works - and set gstreamer as the
> default once it's done.
I am not trying to stop you from using Totem on your machine if you want
that. That is not what this thread is about.

> 'but if we get no gstreamer users we get no bugreports' - well yeah but
> we dont ship a highly unstable gtk either do we, just 'because otherwise
> we'd get no bugreports'? Also gstreamer is not even working well for
> gnome hackers right now, if it's not even up to that level yet it's just
> not ready imho. Once it works well for us hackers I guess it's time to
> start considering it as the default, but until then.. I guess I'm
> sounding all negative here, but believe me, I find GStreamer a really
> cool and exciting project, I'm all for it, but we must face reality as
> well.
GStreamer 0.6.0 clearly stated in its release notes that it didn't aim
at supporting video playback perfectly, it was meant to support the
audio apps shipping with 2.2, which it has done well in my opinion.

With the 0.6.1 release we try to get the video playback to play as nice
(and fix the few gstreamer bug reports we got after 0.6.0). If GNOME
says it wants video support in 2.4.0 then we will deliver that. But
don't hold it against GStreamer that the 0.6.0 release only supported
what it said it did.

> And having two separete players targeting exactly the same featureset,
> exactly the same UI but different codebases - that's just pure crack,
> sorry. I mean what's the actual video widget code compared to the rest
> of the app.. not much.. 
What is the whole app compared to the backend? Anyway I think Bastien has been clear on 
why he started Totem instead of hacking on Gst-player so the issue is over and done with 
in my eyes.

> Ah well.. back to lurking.. just my 2 cents..
> Jorn
Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <Uraeus at linuxrising.org>

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