[LGM] Fwd: LGM2014 decision meeting, Saturday at 16.00 UTC

[Jon Nordby]

On 11 May 2013 11:33, Mario Behling <mb at mariobehling.de> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I also have some other remarks to the discussion in this thread: in
> Madrid, there was a meeting, there were proposals, everyone who wanted
> to participate could participate and we all got together instead of
> browsing the city. Now the list gets extended and Sirko is taken off
> the list because of personal disparities or why?
>
Sirko is not off the list, and it was never intended to be so. I tried my
best to get everyones name during the meeting but inevitably some slipped.
When Gregory pointed out Sirko was missing, I forwarded the invitation to
him (same when Louis pointed out that Nathan and Andreas were also present).
I also asked that everyone at the meeting to join the
libre-graphics-meeting list, to make sure we are not mising anyone in the
conversation.


>
> The meeting in Madrid was well announced. We had an in-depth
> discussion. Different ideas were discussed and as far as I could see a
> consensus was reached. After that, we keep seeing different proposals
> how to decide a venue popping up. Then suddenly, there is an LGM board
> announced that existed, even though there was not a mentioning of this
> before and it seems not everyone from the so-called board is even
> interested to involve.
>
> I find it very confusing that decisions that were reached are
> constantly questioned and discussed again. What is the goal here? If
> there was no consensus, why did not people who were not d'accord say
> anything?  We had the advantage of a face to face meeting and it is as
> if it never happened?
>
> Also, despite this long email, please consider: Not everyone who wants
> to contribute is motivated to participate in this kind of politics and
> imposed re-ocurring and time-consuming online discussions.
>
> I do not know how if anyone else sees these issues, but I think more
> structure in a form of an organization, formalization in processes,
> decision making and more transparency could help to avoid such issues
> in future.
>

As stated before, I am also not happy about the LGM board being brought up
now. But focusing on that will distract from the more pertinent question;
where to go for LGM2014.

(as an aside, this is part of the reason why one must aim to avoid last
minute reveals of information, amendments and reversals of decisions. The
tendency to avoid conflict in such a case may leave the person/group which
proposes change with more power than is due. )



> Best regards,
>
> Mario
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Mario Behling <mb at mariobehling.de>
> wrote:
> > Hello Jon and all,
> >
> > thank you for setting up the meeting. We have all the info together
> > and will provide the info in the pad etc.
> >
> > Originally, I had the understanding the time until the finalization of
> > the proposal is until May 15, as there are many events going on this
> > weekend (Berlin WebWeek, Codemotion, Wireless Community Weekend) which
> > were scheduled for a long time, but I guess an IRC meetup can be done.
> >
> > See you all online.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mario
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Michael Schumacher <schumaml at gmx.de>
> wrote:
> >> On 11.05.2013 01:26, Tobias Ellinghaus wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Am Freitag, 10. Mai 2013, 02:26:01 schrub Jon Nordby:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> So lets try to get together on Saturday 11 May at 16.00 UTC (18.00
> CET)
> >>>> at
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just for the record, 1600 UTC is 1700 CET. However, it is 1800 CEST
> which
> >>> we
> >>> currently have.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=LGM2014+decision+meeting&iso=20130511T16
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> HTH,
> >> Michael
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