[LGM] should LGM or its site have something to say about Charlie Hebdo?

[Camille Bissuel]

Hi all,

I'm sad to say so, but it's clear that as a community, there is no
consensus on the subject.
So it's no.

But, maybe one day most of us will understand that freedom isn't something
about we can choose to take no side, and that it's our responsibility. I
understood it fully very recently. Sorry Chomsky.

If you want to understand what I mean, please look at some drawings here :
http://www.cartooningforpeace.org/
and maybe see a movie :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3409392/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Cheers,
Camille
http://www.nylnook.com <http://nylnook.com>



2015-01-15 20:57 GMT+01:00 María Leandro <tatadbb at gmail.com>:

> Hello all.
>
> If we were asked to write something for every time someone is killed, some
> media is opressed and so on... damn we would need a new website for it.
>
> Even if the ones that are reading and contributing on this list might be
> Ok to (or not); this is about sending a message that has nothing to do with
> the community itself.
>
> Not that I have no feelings or don't feel moved, but when comes to
> politics, religion, etc etc; all opinions should be personal and not in the
> name of the community.
>
>
> Sincerely; a monkey fellow.
>
> 2015-01-15 15:11 GMT-04:30 Louis Desjardins <louis.desjardins at gmail.com>:
>
> 2015-01-13 21:48 GMT-05:00 Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>:
>>
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> This issue came up among those involved in the communication team for
>>> LGM.
>>>
>>> In short, should we have something on the site which says either "Je
>>> suis Charlie" or maybe "Nous sommes Charlie"?
>>>
>>> There has been differences of opinion on this, but what seemed to be
>>> tacitly agreed on was that the smaller group of the communications team
>>> should not unilaterally do this without some wider discussion involving
>>> those who take part in LGM.
>>>
>>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> Since I initially raised the issue among the communication team, here is
>> a summary of what brought me to suggest it was important to add our voice
>> to the statement about free speech.
>>
>> We are into the freedom of speech principle. I can agree, or disagree.
>> Nonetheless, I am not threatened and moreover, I don’t feel threatened.
>>
>> This principle is at the heart of our Code of Conduct. Freedom of speech
>> is one of the basic principles in democracy. One other is the state of
>> rights, which means nobody can make justice of oneself, including people in
>> power, among other things.
>>
>> The whole point here is about "freedom of speech", not opinions expressed
>> because of the existence of that freedom. Freedom of speech is also about
>> disagreeing, otherwise it would be clearly pointless. We can agree or not
>> about the editorial line of this magazine. Moreover, the editorial line of
>> Charlie Hebdo has already been challenged in French court and in the end
>> the court decided there was no offense. If there would have been, that
>> would have ended the discussion.
>>
>> So, clearly, what’s at stake here and why people are in the streets in so
>> many countries and cities and why heads of governments have been walking
>> hand in hand despite their disagreements on so many other subjects, is what
>> is at the root of democracies, freedom of speech. That freedom cannot go
>> beyond certain rules but within those rules people have the right to
>> express their views. They have the right to express their views without
>> fearing the very worst, without being threatened, without thinking that
>> their mouths will be shut by bullets.
>>
>> I hope this clarifies a bit.
>>
>> By the way, I am not a reader of Charlier Hebdo but again, I don’t think
>> this is the point here.
>>
>> The discussion is overhead.
>>
>> I am back to my initial thoughts: the principle that is the base for all
>> our discussions, including software development and globally democracy and
>> "state of rights" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtsstaat) is freedom
>> of speech. Without it, no ideas can circulate easily. Without it, sharing
>> and expressing ideas can expose to threat.
>>
>> Threat can be death as we’ve seen, completely out of any kind of state of
>> rights. But threat can also be abusive justice prosecution — a new form of
>> threat used by large organizations on citizens that don’t have massive
>> money to defend themselves and are thus shut up and denied their freedom of
>> speech. Within the state of rights and because of freedom of speech, people
>> were able to address this new threat by a new law that create an obstacle
>> to abusive justice prosecution, in the name of freedom of speech.
>>
>> I think that Free/Libre and Open Source Software and GPL can only occur
>> under the umbrella of freedom of speech.
>>
>> For my part, I was under the impression that this would be a spontaneous
>> call from the community, considering what’s at stake.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Louis
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> We have traditionally been apolitical, yet maybe there is something
>>> special about this incident involving free speech in the graphics and
>>> publishing world.
>>>
>>> Greg
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