[LGM] should LGM or its site have something to say about Charlie Hebdo?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 17 Jan 2015 11:41, "Camille Bissuel" <camille at nylnook.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Jehan. Fighting for freedom is even more important in
this context and State violence can be worst than terrorism.

Which countries make the weapons? ;)

> Someone should be able to say he disagree with caricatures, as long as he
doesn't kill for that.
> But that's the point. Let everyone express his views, in peace.

No no, THAT is the point :) Should all views be expressed? Almost (*)
nowhere is this the law.

Some views, offensive views to those with power, are banned by almost all
countries laws and those laws are actively enforced by governments;
depending on who is in power, different things are banned in different
places.

Company (and conference! :) bylaws are often far stricter. Turning to our
conference bylaws, the coc says, emphasis mine,

"The Libre Graphics community is committed to providing a safe __and
welcoming__ environment for all participants, regardless of, for example:
ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, age, appearance, impairment,
__religion,__ or technical ability."

LGM has had nothing to do with current affairs and I think it ought to stay
that way; let's have a big tent with no distractions, please.

Cheers
Dave

(*) The USA constitution has an extremist view that all offensive speech is
permitted, but the de facto reality is not the case; eg reporting on
American imperialism offends imperialists and is prosecuted with life
sentences and the death penalty.

> Cheers,
> Camille
>
> Le 17 janv. 2015 17:15, "Jehan Pagès" <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com> a
écrit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just wanted to make a small comment that, as someone with a French
>> nationality who lives in France, I really don't like much the ambiance
>> these last weeks in France since the terror events.
>>
>> According to some news I read, some people got arrested for saying bad
>> stuff or drawing caricatures (yes, for drawing caricatures, how
>> ironic!) on the wrong side (arrested and condemned for "apology of
>> terrorism"). I don't know exactly what they said or drew (since they
>> usually don't give the details in the article, and the journalists
>> themselves may not even know them), and it may have indeed been
>> horrible (anyway if they really meant that the attacks were something
>> good, they are probably not people I would like), yet "freedom of
>> speech" seems deader every day, in the name of this same freedom they
>> affirm to protect.
>> Apparently there have already been dozen of people *condemned* for
>> *words* just in the last few days in France.
>>
>> All this to say that the whole frenesia around these unfortunate
>> events lately and the fear they created in people appear to me to have
>> mainly been used by politicians to just take back some more freedom.
>> The sad thing is that it feels that this is what happens at each
>> similar events around the world, whatever the country.
>>
>> So I am not saying that it is a bad idea to take a stance for freedom
>> of speech in general, but LGM should be very careful in how they do
>> it. Doing it with the background of the late events feel like
>> endorsing all what the governments are trying to do in the name of
>> these same events. And that's not pretty, I can tell you.
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Camille Bissuel <camille at nylnook.com>
wrote:
>> > Ok, is a text like this one would get your consent ?
>> >
>> > " After Paris attacks and killing on Charlie Hebdo and Jews peoples,
the
>> > Libre Graphics Meeting wish to affirm its belief in freedom of speech.
Free
>> > tools are for every artist and individual, and every artist should be
free
>> > to express her or his views, even satirically, whatever religion or
>> > community she or he belongs to. Fighting for free tools is also
fighting for
>> > free expression and arts.
>> > We wish for more freedom, and more respects between peoples all over
the
>> > world in a spirit of peace, were we can express ourselves with words
and
>> > arts instead of bullets. "
>> >
>> > Please correct me (as you know I'm not a native english speaker !) and
>> > improve or amend the sentences as you wish.
>> > By the way, we can open a pad to work on it.
>> >
>> > have a nice day,
>> > Camille
>> >
>> >
>> > 2015-01-17 2:01 GMT+01:00 Gregory Pittman <gpittman at iglou.com>:
>> >>
>> >> On 01/16/2015 07:18 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> >> > On 16 January 2015 at 19:00, Louis Desjardins
>> >> > <louis.desjardins at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> we can use our own words to express the same idea
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Which idea, exactly? :) There are a lot floating around :)
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I think it's safe to say that Charlie Hebdo doesn't need our support.
>> >> There is now worldwide and excessively intense interest in the
>> >> publication, and while I can agree with the idea of free speech in
>> >> countries where laws permit, this is a connected world where you
cannot
>> >> "fix" attitudes elsewhere:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-30853305
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
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