[LGM] Formal Motion on 2018 and 2019 Venues

Tue May 9 12:29:20 UTC 2017

Hi!

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> big misunderstanding on my part, I thought that you would vote on the
> venue first, then we'd go for picking a date that works best for
> everyone. But if there's interest in working with regional partners,
> coop with the (amazing) demoscene event etc, then 2019 would make a
> lot more sense for us. At least if LGM is a second-quarter event.

Let's see how Milan answers to Frank's email. For information, if
things get problematic, I have no problem in seeing LGM dates change.
The 6 LGM I have been in were always in April/May indeed, but if need
be, it could be later, no?

Jehan

> As I had written funding-wise I think we'd be able to get similar
> support, i.e. low / no venue cost etc.  Hope this doesn't confuse
> things too much - but since Zoe seems ready to roll for 2018, maybe
> that's a way to proceed.
>
> bestest, apologies for whatever confusion this creates.
>
> Soenke
>
> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT+02:00 Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> happy to answer whatever questions you may have. We didn't mean to
>> push but depending on the likely scope of the event it does need a bit
>> of organizing time.
>>
>> We also really enjoyed the discussion about Paris because we feel that
>> especially now we need to make sure that cross-border cooperation is
>> something we want and are comfortable with. Whatever you think about
>> the EU, Europe works at the grassroots level, and because we have
>> colleagues in Metz (incl. http://tcrm-blida.com/) and Luxembourg
>> (http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/, http://www.technoport.lu), each about
>> an hour away, we would like them to act as co-hosts to whatever extent
>> possible, linking the event to their local FLOSS dynamics and possible
>> developing satellite events there. Jehan, if this would interest you
>> and your colleagues, let's talk (regardless of whether we end up doing
>> this in 2018 or 2019).
>>
>> Frank, after talking to my colleagues we feel that we would have
>> similar co-funding opportunities for 2019, all of which remain to be
>> confirmed of course. So I really want to emphasize that 2018 and 2019
>> are both ok options for us. If 2018, first or second quarter might be
>> a bit ambititious though, Sept would probably work better. For 2019,
>> however, there would be more time to synch an LGM with
>> https://2017.revision-party.net/ which always occurs (not which is
>> always carefully organized by a group of highly committed people).
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Soenke
>>
>> 2017-05-08 20:54 GMT+02:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
>>> Good call on adding the links.
>>>
>>> We ought at least to build out a branding-compatible template for next
>>> year's website before handing off to local organizers, so I've started a new
>>> thread to get a web team together and to find our branding elements.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Per Lara's suggestion, I have opened an Etherpad document here (
>>>> > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll ) to record votes
>>>> > prior
>>>> > to the IRC chat, and I have voted. I encourage others to do so as soon
>>>> > as
>>>> > possible.
>>>>
>>>> I have read both propositions and voted yes to both.
>>>> Also I added the links to the proposals on the pad as well, so that
>>>> people don't have to dig in the ML history to find these.
>>>>
>>>> > Per Louis's suggestion, I set the deadline for the 2019 question a week
>>>> > later so that we can focus on 2018 over the next week or so.
>>>>
>>>> Good. A week is ok. But there is no reason to delay much more. So
>>>> that's a good delay choice. :-)
>>>>
>>>> What would be really good as the next step for the 2018 LGM
>>>> (Saarbruecken if we agree on this, which seem like it will be the
>>>> case) will be that as soon as the vote is over, a new Wordpress is
>>>> installed under 2018/ on the web server, not public yet (or at least
>>>> not the default redirection) and an admin account could be given to
>>>> the local team for them to design it. Ideally in the next few months,
>>>> a brand new website at Saarbruecken colors could be up and publicly
>>>> visible with the basic information (the kind of information from the
>>>> proposal is a start). This should also help for funding to have a web
>>>> presence.
>>>>
>>>> Jehan
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: thanks Frank for making this all in the public mailing list. As
>>>> you know, I really much appreciate this! :-)
>>>>
>>>> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Louis Desjardins
>>>> > <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2017-05-08 11:15 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The reason that I'm trying to push this along is that Soenke from
>>>> >>> Saarbruecken had mentioned that he would probably need to start the
>>>> >>> formal
>>>> >>> process on some of the grants by the beginning of June.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi Frank,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It’s very much appreciated that you push this.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> With no intention of slowing things down, my take is we should stick to
>>>> >> our voting process. What has become urgent can be treated as such.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Keeping the focus on Saarbruecken for the 2018 decision in a timely
>>>> >> manner
>>>> >> for the host is the way to go, IMO.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Once 2018 has the go, we can concentrate on 2019. Which can happen also
>>>> >> as
>>>> >> quickly as possible.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for raising the flag!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Louis
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What sort of additional information would you like to request from the
>>>> >>> hosts? I already verified that the information in their proposals was
>>>> >>> still
>>>> >>> valid, and, since they're already being so generous with their time, I
>>>> >>> don't
>>>> >>> want to subject them to any unnecessary repetition.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I may be in transit at the time of the proposed meeting next week.
>>>> >>> Would
>>>> >>> somebody save a chat log? And could we elaborate in advance what
>>>> >>> alternative
>>>> >>> courses of action would be discussed?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno <gwidion at gmail.com>
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On 8 May 2017 at 11:30, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> > (This is the first time that we've done this on the main list
>>>> >>>> > rather
>>>> >>>> > than
>>>> >>>> > the organization list, I think, so bear with me.)
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > LGM has received hosting proposals from Saarbruecken and Milan for
>>>> >>>> > the
>>>> >>>> > 2018
>>>> >>>> > and 2019 events. Both proposals are very strong and combine
>>>> >>>> > exciting
>>>> >>>> > locations and facilities with interested and supportive local
>>>> >>>> > communities,
>>>> >>>> > and so I believe that it makes sense to accept both of them. The
>>>> >>>> > Saarbruecken team have some significant fundraising opportunities
>>>> >>>> > that
>>>> >>>> > may
>>>> >>>> > only be available for 2018, though, so it makes sense, at least to
>>>> >>>> > me,
>>>> >>>> > that
>>>> >>>> > we meet in Saarbruecken in 2018 and Milan in 2019.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > As such, I propose the following motion:
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > The Libre Graphics Meeting will take place in Saarbruecken in 2018
>>>> >>>> > with
>>>> >>>> > Soenke Zehle as lead local organizer and in Milan in 2019 with Zoe
>>>> >>>> > Romano as
>>>> >>>> > lead local organizer.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hi Frank - I thank you for acting as an embassador to the proponents
>>>> >>>> of both venues,
>>>> >>>> but before casting  a "formal vote" - or whatever- I think it would
>>>> >>>> be
>>>> >>>> nice to have the direct
>>>> >>>> "voice" of both proponents in an updated e-mail on this list :-)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Tehn we could do one thing I not do for the 2017 conference and that
>>>> >>>> was
>>>> >>>> pointed
>>>> >>>> as the main motive for the small size of this years issue: we do a
>>>> >>>> live meeting on
>>>> >>>> IRC to debate the pros and cons of either proposal (or another
>>>> >>>> approach)
>>>> >>>> - and
>>>> >>>> settle for that.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> In oder not to stall things, I propose the date-time for this meeting
>>>> >>>> to
>>>> >>>> be
>>>> >>>> at 21h00 C.E.T. next Thursday (May, the 11th) on freenode #LGM.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> (We don't have to decide the venue this week - and we have had more
>>>> >>>> people
>>>> >>>> talking here than over the last several months  - but this things
>>>> >>>> could be discussed
>>>> >>>> live)
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>   js
>>>> >>>>  -><-
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > It's very important that we resolve this in a timely fashion so
>>>> >>>> > that
>>>> >>>> > our
>>>> >>>> > hosts can begin planning, scheduling, networking, and fundraising.
>>>> >>>> > It's also
>>>> >>>> > important that we get positive responses here; silence is not a
>>>> >>>> > very
>>>> >>>> > reassuring form of endorsement.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >
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