[LGM] Formal Motion on 2018 and 2019 Venues

Tue May 9 15:56:42 UTC 2017

Hi all,

as indicated, 2019 preferred at this pt.

Frank is right, the proposal says April 2018. When we submitted that seemed
to lie in the distant future.

Best,

Soenke

Am 09.05.2017 3:26 nachm. schrieb "Jehan Pagès" <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com
>:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Louis Desjardins
> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > (way down below)
> >
> > 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT-04:00 Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Louis Desjardins
> >> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > All ok Frank! No worries!
> >> >
> >> > Per our 2-year process:
> >> > 2018 should have been known and announced in 2016
> >> > 2019 should be known and announced in 2017
> >> > 2010 should be known and announced in 2018
> >> >
> >> > We’re late for 2018, on schedule for 2019 and ahead of time for 2020.
> >> >
> >> > As I see it, we have in fact 3 strong proposals, including Paris.
> >>
> >> Don't consider me as strong a proposal as others yet. I have not full
> >> confirmation of the place since I just started discussing (I started
> >> after coming back from LGM at Rio, since this is where I discussed the
> >> idea first) and my contact asked me to get in touch again later.
> >> Though indeed the contact was very interested and this is a place
> >> which regularly hosts FLOSS events (hence chances are high).
> >>
> >> I also have contacts with various other universities which (I'm sure)
> >> will be interested in case this first venue comes to be not possible.
> >> Yet nothing is set in stone at this point.
> >>
> >> > While 2020 seems a bit far away, I would suggest that people involved
> in
> >> > the
> >> > discussion take the 3 proposals in consideration. If all 3 proposers
> >> > could
> >> > tell us which year is possible/best, and for what reason, we could
> make
> >> > a
> >> > better decision and at the same time help the proposers.
> >>
> >> I have always said for 2019 or later, not before.
> >
> >
> > So, considering 2020 would be ok, right?
>
> Yes that would be ok. I would have preferred 2019 because 2020 feels
> so far to me (whereas 2018 is too close ;P). But the fact is that
> there are already 2 proposals which are still valid, and they are more
> certain than mine (since I just started to discuss with my contacts).
> So that makes total sense to favor the 2 others which seem solid. :-)
>
> Anyway I always said 2019 or later. I stick to this.
>
> Jehan
>
> > Which would be great since we have both 2018 and 2019 covered for now.
> >
> >>
> >> I don't even want to
> >> search for 2018 because it is too close now and don't want to rush
> >> things. My stance won't change there, so Paris is *not* for 2018.
> >
> >
> > Ok!
> >
> > Louis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jehan
> >>
> >> > Let’s see what others think.
> >> >
> >> > Louis
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2017-05-09 7:49 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> (And given how much time had passed and the uncertain provenance of
> the
> >> >> proposal document, it certainly would have been good for me to
> confirm
> >> >> that.)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In light of this new information, let's temporarily suspend voting.
> >> >>> I've
> >> >>> asked the Milan folks about whether they could do 2018 instead, and,
> >> >>> if so,
> >> >>> I will propose swapping.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I also apologize for the confusion. I'm not sure who wrote the
> >> >>> original
> >> >>> venue proposal document, but it showed dates in April of next year,
> so
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> didn't discuss that in my recheck call with Soenke a few weeks ago.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi all,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> big misunderstanding on my part, I thought that you would vote on
> the
> >> >>>> venue first, then we'd go for picking a date that works best for
> >> >>>> everyone. But if there's interest in working with regional
> partners,
> >> >>>> coop with the (amazing) demoscene event etc, then 2019 would make a
> >> >>>> lot more sense for us. At least if LGM is a second-quarter event.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> As I had written funding-wise I think we'd be able to get similar
> >> >>>> support, i.e. low / no venue cost etc.  Hope this doesn't confuse
> >> >>>> things too much - but since Zoe seems ready to roll for 2018, maybe
> >> >>>> that's a way to proceed.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> bestest, apologies for whatever confusion this creates.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Soenke
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT+02:00 Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org>:
> >> >>>> > Hi all,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > happy to answer whatever questions you may have. We didn't mean
> to
> >> >>>> > push but depending on the likely scope of the event it does need
> a
> >> >>>> > bit
> >> >>>> > of organizing time.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > We also really enjoyed the discussion about Paris because we feel
> >> >>>> > that
> >> >>>> > especially now we need to make sure that cross-border cooperation
> >> >>>> > is
> >> >>>> > something we want and are comfortable with. Whatever you think
> >> >>>> > about
> >> >>>> > the EU, Europe works at the grassroots level, and because we have
> >> >>>> > colleagues in Metz (incl. http://tcrm-blida.com/) and Luxembourg
> >> >>>> > (http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/, http://www.technoport.lu), each
> >> >>>> > about
> >> >>>> > an hour away, we would like them to act as co-hosts to whatever
> >> >>>> > extent
> >> >>>> > possible, linking the event to their local FLOSS dynamics and
> >> >>>> > possible
> >> >>>> > developing satellite events there. Jehan, if this would interest
> >> >>>> > you
> >> >>>> > and your colleagues, let's talk (regardless of whether we end up
> >> >>>> > doing
> >> >>>> > this in 2018 or 2019).
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Frank, after talking to my colleagues we feel that we would have
> >> >>>> > similar co-funding opportunities for 2019, all of which remain to
> >> >>>> > be
> >> >>>> > confirmed of course. So I really want to emphasize that 2018 and
> >> >>>> > 2019
> >> >>>> > are both ok options for us. If 2018, first or second quarter
> might
> >> >>>> > be
> >> >>>> > a bit ambititious though, Sept would probably work better. For
> >> >>>> > 2019,
> >> >>>> > however, there would be more time to synch an LGM with
> >> >>>> > https://2017.revision-party.net/ which always occurs (not which
> is
> >> >>>> > always carefully organized by a group of highly committed
> people).
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Best,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Soenke
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > 2017-05-08 20:54 GMT+02:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com
> >:
> >> >>>> >> Good call on adding the links.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> We ought at least to build out a branding-compatible template
> for
> >> >>>> >> next
> >> >>>> >> year's website before handing off to local organizers, so I've
> >> >>>> >> started a new
> >> >>>> >> thread to get a web team together and to find our branding
> >> >>>> >> elements.
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jehan Pagès
> >> >>>> >> <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Frank Trampe
> >> >>>> >>> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> > Per Lara's suggestion, I have opened an Etherpad document
> here
> >> >>>> >>> > (
> >> >>>> >>> > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll ) to
> >> >>>> >>> > record
> >> >>>> >>> > votes
> >> >>>> >>> > prior
> >> >>>> >>> > to the IRC chat, and I have voted. I encourage others to do
> so
> >> >>>> >>> > as
> >> >>>> >>> > soon
> >> >>>> >>> > as
> >> >>>> >>> > possible.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> I have read both propositions and voted yes to both.
> >> >>>> >>> Also I added the links to the proposals on the pad as well, so
> >> >>>> >>> that
> >> >>>> >>> people don't have to dig in the ML history to find these.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> > Per Louis's suggestion, I set the deadline for the 2019
> >> >>>> >>> > question a
> >> >>>> >>> > week
> >> >>>> >>> > later so that we can focus on 2018 over the next week or so.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Good. A week is ok. But there is no reason to delay much more.
> So
> >> >>>> >>> that's a good delay choice. :-)
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> What would be really good as the next step for the 2018 LGM
> >> >>>> >>> (Saarbruecken if we agree on this, which seem like it will be
> the
> >> >>>> >>> case) will be that as soon as the vote is over, a new Wordpress
> >> >>>> >>> is
> >> >>>> >>> installed under 2018/ on the web server, not public yet (or at
> >> >>>> >>> least
> >> >>>> >>> not the default redirection) and an admin account could be
> given
> >> >>>> >>> to
> >> >>>> >>> the local team for them to design it. Ideally in the next few
> >> >>>> >>> months,
> >> >>>> >>> a brand new website at Saarbruecken colors could be up and
> >> >>>> >>> publicly
> >> >>>> >>> visible with the basic information (the kind of information
> from
> >> >>>> >>> the
> >> >>>> >>> proposal is a start). This should also help for funding to
> have a
> >> >>>> >>> web
> >> >>>> >>> presence.
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> Jehan
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> P.S.: thanks Frank for making this all in the public mailing
> >> >>>> >>> list.
> >> >>>> >>> As
> >> >>>> >>> you know, I really much appreciate this! :-)
> >> >>>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Louis Desjardins
> >> >>>> >>> > <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> 2017-05-08 11:15 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe
> >> >>>> >>> >> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>> The reason that I'm trying to push this along is that
> Soenke
> >> >>>> >>> >>> from
> >> >>>> >>> >>> Saarbruecken had mentioned that he would probably need to
> >> >>>> >>> >>> start
> >> >>>> >>> >>> the
> >> >>>> >>> >>> formal
> >> >>>> >>> >>> process on some of the grants by the beginning of June.
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Hi Frank,
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> It’s very much appreciated that you push this.
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> With no intention of slowing things down, my take is we
> should
> >> >>>> >>> >> stick to
> >> >>>> >>> >> our voting process. What has become urgent can be treated as
> >> >>>> >>> >> such.
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Keeping the focus on Saarbruecken for the 2018 decision in a
> >> >>>> >>> >> timely
> >> >>>> >>> >> manner
> >> >>>> >>> >> for the host is the way to go, IMO.
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Once 2018 has the go, we can concentrate on 2019. Which can
> >> >>>> >>> >> happen also
> >> >>>> >>> >> as
> >> >>>> >>> >> quickly as possible.
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Thanks for raising the flag!
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Cheers,
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >> Louis
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>> What sort of additional information would you like to
> request
> >> >>>> >>> >>> from the
> >> >>>> >>> >>> hosts? I already verified that the information in their
> >> >>>> >>> >>> proposals was
> >> >>>> >>> >>> still
> >> >>>> >>> >>> valid, and, since they're already being so generous with
> >> >>>> >>> >>> their
> >> >>>> >>> >>> time, I
> >> >>>> >>> >>> don't
> >> >>>> >>> >>> want to subject them to any unnecessary repetition.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>> I may be in transit at the time of the proposed meeting
> next
> >> >>>> >>> >>> week.
> >> >>>> >>> >>> Would
> >> >>>> >>> >>> somebody save a chat log? And could we elaborate in advance
> >> >>>> >>> >>> what
> >> >>>> >>> >>> alternative
> >> >>>> >>> >>> courses of action would be discussed?
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno
> >> >>>> >>> >>> <gwidion at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8 May 2017 at 11:30, Frank Trampe
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > (This is the first time that we've done this on the main
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > list
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > rather
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > than
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > the organization list, I think, so bear with me.)
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > LGM has received hosting proposals from Saarbruecken and
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > Milan for
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > the
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > and 2019 events. Both proposals are very strong and
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > combine
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > exciting
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > locations and facilities with interested and supportive
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > local
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > communities,
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > and so I believe that it makes sense to accept both of
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > them.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > The
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > Saarbruecken team have some significant fundraising
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > opportunities
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > may
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > only be available for 2018, though, so it makes sense,
> at
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > least to
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > me,
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > we meet in Saarbruecken in 2018 and Milan in 2019.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > As such, I propose the following motion:
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > The Libre Graphics Meeting will take place in
> Saarbruecken
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > in
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > with
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > Soenke Zehle as lead local organizer and in Milan in
> 2019
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > with Zoe
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > Romano as
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > lead local organizer.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Frank - I thank you for acting as an embassador to the
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> proponents
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> of both venues,
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> but before casting  a "formal vote" - or whatever- I think
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> it
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> would
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> be
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> nice to have the direct
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> "voice" of both proponents in an updated e-mail on this
> list
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> :-)
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> Tehn we could do one thing I not do for the 2017
> conference
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> and
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> that
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> was
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> pointed
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> as the main motive for the small size of this years issue:
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> we
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> do a
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> live meeting on
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> IRC to debate the pros and cons of either proposal (or
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> another
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> approach)
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> - and
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> settle for that.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> In oder not to stall things, I propose the date-time for
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> this
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> meeting
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> to
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> be
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> at 21h00 C.E.T. next Thursday (May, the 11th) on freenode
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> #LGM.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> (We don't have to decide the venue this week - and we have
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> had
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> more
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> people
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> talking here than over the last several months  - but this
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> things
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> could be discussed
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> live)
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>   js
> >> >>>> >>> >>>>  -><-
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's very important that we resolve this in a timely
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > fashion
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > so
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > our
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > hosts can begin planning, scheduling, networking, and
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > fundraising.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's also
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > important that we get positive responses here; silence
> is
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > not
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > a
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > very
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> > reassuring form of endorsement.
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >
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