[LGM] Formal Motion on 2018 and 2019 Venues

Tue May 9 13:18:58 UTC 2017

(way down below)

2017-05-09 8:23 GMT-04:00 Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>:

> Hi!
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Louis Desjardins
> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> > All ok Frank! No worries!
> >
> > Per our 2-year process:
> > 2018 should have been known and announced in 2016
> > 2019 should be known and announced in 2017
> > 2010 should be known and announced in 2018
> >
> > We’re late for 2018, on schedule for 2019 and ahead of time for 2020.
> >
> > As I see it, we have in fact 3 strong proposals, including Paris.
>
> Don't consider me as strong a proposal as others yet. I have not full
> confirmation of the place since I just started discussing (I started
> after coming back from LGM at Rio, since this is where I discussed the
> idea first) and my contact asked me to get in touch again later.
> Though indeed the contact was very interested and this is a place
> which regularly hosts FLOSS events (hence chances are high).
>
> I also have contacts with various other universities which (I'm sure)
> will be interested in case this first venue comes to be not possible.
> Yet nothing is set in stone at this point.
>
> > While 2020 seems a bit far away, I would suggest that people involved in
> the
> > discussion take the 3 proposals in consideration. If all 3 proposers
> could
> > tell us which year is possible/best, and for what reason, we could make a
> > better decision and at the same time help the proposers.
>
> I have always said for 2019 or later, not before.

So, considering 2020 would be ok, right?

Which would be great since we have both 2018 and 2019 covered for now.

> I don't even want to
> search for 2018 because it is too close now and don't want to rush
> things. My stance won't change there, so Paris is *not* for 2018.
>

Ok!

Louis

>
> Jehan
>
> > Let’s see what others think.
> >
> > Louis
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-05-09 7:49 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> (And given how much time had passed and the uncertain provenance of the
> >> proposal document, it certainly would have been good for me to confirm
> >> that.)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In light of this new information, let's temporarily suspend voting.
> I've
> >>> asked the Milan folks about whether they could do 2018 instead, and,
> if so,
> >>> I will propose swapping.
> >>>
> >>> I also apologize for the confusion. I'm not sure who wrote the original
> >>> venue proposal document, but it showed dates in April of next year, so
> I
> >>> didn't discuss that in my recheck call with Soenke a few weeks ago.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> big misunderstanding on my part, I thought that you would vote on the
> >>>> venue first, then we'd go for picking a date that works best for
> >>>> everyone. But if there's interest in working with regional partners,
> >>>> coop with the (amazing) demoscene event etc, then 2019 would make a
> >>>> lot more sense for us. At least if LGM is a second-quarter event.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I had written funding-wise I think we'd be able to get similar
> >>>> support, i.e. low / no venue cost etc.  Hope this doesn't confuse
> >>>> things too much - but since Zoe seems ready to roll for 2018, maybe
> >>>> that's a way to proceed.
> >>>>
> >>>> bestest, apologies for whatever confusion this creates.
> >>>>
> >>>> Soenke
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT+02:00 Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org>:
> >>>> > Hi all,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > happy to answer whatever questions you may have. We didn't mean to
> >>>> > push but depending on the likely scope of the event it does need a
> bit
> >>>> > of organizing time.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > We also really enjoyed the discussion about Paris because we feel
> that
> >>>> > especially now we need to make sure that cross-border cooperation is
> >>>> > something we want and are comfortable with. Whatever you think about
> >>>> > the EU, Europe works at the grassroots level, and because we have
> >>>> > colleagues in Metz (incl. http://tcrm-blida.com/) and Luxembourg
> >>>> > (http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/, http://www.technoport.lu), each
> about
> >>>> > an hour away, we would like them to act as co-hosts to whatever
> extent
> >>>> > possible, linking the event to their local FLOSS dynamics and
> possible
> >>>> > developing satellite events there. Jehan, if this would interest you
> >>>> > and your colleagues, let's talk (regardless of whether we end up
> doing
> >>>> > this in 2018 or 2019).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Frank, after talking to my colleagues we feel that we would have
> >>>> > similar co-funding opportunities for 2019, all of which remain to be
> >>>> > confirmed of course. So I really want to emphasize that 2018 and
> 2019
> >>>> > are both ok options for us. If 2018, first or second quarter might
> be
> >>>> > a bit ambititious though, Sept would probably work better. For 2019,
> >>>> > however, there would be more time to synch an LGM with
> >>>> > https://2017.revision-party.net/ which always occurs (not which is
> >>>> > always carefully organized by a group of highly committed people).
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Best,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Soenke
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 2017-05-08 20:54 GMT+02:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
> >>>> >> Good call on adding the links.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> We ought at least to build out a branding-compatible template for
> >>>> >> next
> >>>> >> year's website before handing off to local organizers, so I've
> >>>> >> started a new
> >>>> >> thread to get a web team together and to find our branding
> elements.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jehan Pagès
> >>>> >> <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Hi,
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Frank Trampe
> >>>> >>> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>> > Per Lara's suggestion, I have opened an Etherpad document here (
> >>>> >>> > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll ) to
> record
> >>>> >>> > votes
> >>>> >>> > prior
> >>>> >>> > to the IRC chat, and I have voted. I encourage others to do so
> as
> >>>> >>> > soon
> >>>> >>> > as
> >>>> >>> > possible.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> I have read both propositions and voted yes to both.
> >>>> >>> Also I added the links to the proposals on the pad as well, so
> that
> >>>> >>> people don't have to dig in the ML history to find these.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> > Per Louis's suggestion, I set the deadline for the 2019
> question a
> >>>> >>> > week
> >>>> >>> > later so that we can focus on 2018 over the next week or so.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Good. A week is ok. But there is no reason to delay much more. So
> >>>> >>> that's a good delay choice. :-)
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> What would be really good as the next step for the 2018 LGM
> >>>> >>> (Saarbruecken if we agree on this, which seem like it will be the
> >>>> >>> case) will be that as soon as the vote is over, a new Wordpress is
> >>>> >>> installed under 2018/ on the web server, not public yet (or at
> least
> >>>> >>> not the default redirection) and an admin account could be given
> to
> >>>> >>> the local team for them to design it. Ideally in the next few
> >>>> >>> months,
> >>>> >>> a brand new website at Saarbruecken colors could be up and
> publicly
> >>>> >>> visible with the basic information (the kind of information from
> the
> >>>> >>> proposal is a start). This should also help for funding to have a
> >>>> >>> web
> >>>> >>> presence.
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> Jehan
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> P.S.: thanks Frank for making this all in the public mailing list.
> >>>> >>> As
> >>>> >>> you know, I really much appreciate this! :-)
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Louis Desjardins
> >>>> >>> > <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> 2017-05-08 11:15 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <
> frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>> The reason that I'm trying to push this along is that Soenke
> >>>> >>> >>> from
> >>>> >>> >>> Saarbruecken had mentioned that he would probably need to
> start
> >>>> >>> >>> the
> >>>> >>> >>> formal
> >>>> >>> >>> process on some of the grants by the beginning of June.
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Hi Frank,
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> It’s very much appreciated that you push this.
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> With no intention of slowing things down, my take is we should
> >>>> >>> >> stick to
> >>>> >>> >> our voting process. What has become urgent can be treated as
> >>>> >>> >> such.
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Keeping the focus on Saarbruecken for the 2018 decision in a
> >>>> >>> >> timely
> >>>> >>> >> manner
> >>>> >>> >> for the host is the way to go, IMO.
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Once 2018 has the go, we can concentrate on 2019. Which can
> >>>> >>> >> happen also
> >>>> >>> >> as
> >>>> >>> >> quickly as possible.
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Thanks for raising the flag!
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Cheers,
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >> Louis
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >>
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>> What sort of additional information would you like to request
> >>>> >>> >>> from the
> >>>> >>> >>> hosts? I already verified that the information in their
> >>>> >>> >>> proposals was
> >>>> >>> >>> still
> >>>> >>> >>> valid, and, since they're already being so generous with their
> >>>> >>> >>> time, I
> >>>> >>> >>> don't
> >>>> >>> >>> want to subject them to any unnecessary repetition.
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>> I may be in transit at the time of the proposed meeting next
> >>>> >>> >>> week.
> >>>> >>> >>> Would
> >>>> >>> >>> somebody save a chat log? And could we elaborate in advance
> what
> >>>> >>> >>> alternative
> >>>> >>> >>> courses of action would be discussed?
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>>
> >>>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno
> >>>> >>> >>> <gwidion at gmail.com>
> >>>> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8 May 2017 at 11:30, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >>> >>>> > (This is the first time that we've done this on the main
> list
> >>>> >>> >>>> > rather
> >>>> >>> >>>> > than
> >>>> >>> >>>> > the organization list, I think, so bear with me.)
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> > LGM has received hosting proposals from Saarbruecken and
> >>>> >>> >>>> > Milan for
> >>>> >>> >>>> > the
> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
> >>>> >>> >>>> > and 2019 events. Both proposals are very strong and combine
> >>>> >>> >>>> > exciting
> >>>> >>> >>>> > locations and facilities with interested and supportive
> local
> >>>> >>> >>>> > communities,
> >>>> >>> >>>> > and so I believe that it makes sense to accept both of
> them.
> >>>> >>> >>>> > The
> >>>> >>> >>>> > Saarbruecken team have some significant fundraising
> >>>> >>> >>>> > opportunities
> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >>>> >>> >>>> > may
> >>>> >>> >>>> > only be available for 2018, though, so it makes sense, at
> >>>> >>> >>>> > least to
> >>>> >>> >>>> > me,
> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >>>> >>> >>>> > we meet in Saarbruecken in 2018 and Milan in 2019.
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> > As such, I propose the following motion:
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> > The Libre Graphics Meeting will take place in Saarbruecken
> in
> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
> >>>> >>> >>>> > with
> >>>> >>> >>>> > Soenke Zehle as lead local organizer and in Milan in 2019
> >>>> >>> >>>> > with Zoe
> >>>> >>> >>>> > Romano as
> >>>> >>> >>>> > lead local organizer.
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Frank - I thank you for acting as an embassador to the
> >>>> >>> >>>> proponents
> >>>> >>> >>>> of both venues,
> >>>> >>> >>>> but before casting  a "formal vote" - or whatever- I think it
> >>>> >>> >>>> would
> >>>> >>> >>>> be
> >>>> >>> >>>> nice to have the direct
> >>>> >>> >>>> "voice" of both proponents in an updated e-mail on this list
> >>>> >>> >>>> :-)
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>> Tehn we could do one thing I not do for the 2017 conference
> and
> >>>> >>> >>>> that
> >>>> >>> >>>> was
> >>>> >>> >>>> pointed
> >>>> >>> >>>> as the main motive for the small size of this years issue: we
> >>>> >>> >>>> do a
> >>>> >>> >>>> live meeting on
> >>>> >>> >>>> IRC to debate the pros and cons of either proposal (or
> another
> >>>> >>> >>>> approach)
> >>>> >>> >>>> - and
> >>>> >>> >>>> settle for that.
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>> In oder not to stall things, I propose the date-time for this
> >>>> >>> >>>> meeting
> >>>> >>> >>>> to
> >>>> >>> >>>> be
> >>>> >>> >>>> at 21h00 C.E.T. next Thursday (May, the 11th) on freenode
> #LGM.
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>> (We don't have to decide the venue this week - and we have
> had
> >>>> >>> >>>> more
> >>>> >>> >>>> people
> >>>> >>> >>>> talking here than over the last several months  - but this
> >>>> >>> >>>> things
> >>>> >>> >>>> could be discussed
> >>>> >>> >>>> live)
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>>
> >>>> >>> >>>>   js
> >>>> >>> >>>>  -><-
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's very important that we resolve this in a timely
> fashion
> >>>> >>> >>>> > so
> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
> >>>> >>> >>>> > our
> >>>> >>> >>>> > hosts can begin planning, scheduling, networking, and
> >>>> >>> >>>> > fundraising.
> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's also
> >>>> >>> >>>> > important that we get positive responses here; silence is
> not
> >>>> >>> >>>> > a
> >>>> >>> >>>> > very
> >>>> >>> >>>> > reassuring form of endorsement.
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
> >>>> >>> >>>> >
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