[LGM] Formal Motion on 2018 and 2019 Venues

Tue May 9 13:26:41 UTC 2017

Hi,

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Louis Desjardins
<louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
> (way down below)
>
> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT-04:00 Jehan Pagès <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Louis Desjardins
>> <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > All ok Frank! No worries!
>> >
>> > Per our 2-year process:
>> > 2018 should have been known and announced in 2016
>> > 2019 should be known and announced in 2017
>> > 2010 should be known and announced in 2018
>> >
>> > We’re late for 2018, on schedule for 2019 and ahead of time for 2020.
>> >
>> > As I see it, we have in fact 3 strong proposals, including Paris.
>>
>> Don't consider me as strong a proposal as others yet. I have not full
>> confirmation of the place since I just started discussing (I started
>> after coming back from LGM at Rio, since this is where I discussed the
>> idea first) and my contact asked me to get in touch again later.
>> Though indeed the contact was very interested and this is a place
>> which regularly hosts FLOSS events (hence chances are high).
>>
>> I also have contacts with various other universities which (I'm sure)
>> will be interested in case this first venue comes to be not possible.
>> Yet nothing is set in stone at this point.
>>
>> > While 2020 seems a bit far away, I would suggest that people involved in
>> > the
>> > discussion take the 3 proposals in consideration. If all 3 proposers
>> > could
>> > tell us which year is possible/best, and for what reason, we could make
>> > a
>> > better decision and at the same time help the proposers.
>>
>> I have always said for 2019 or later, not before.
>
>
> So, considering 2020 would be ok, right?

Yes that would be ok. I would have preferred 2019 because 2020 feels
so far to me (whereas 2018 is too close ;P). But the fact is that
there are already 2 proposals which are still valid, and they are more
certain than mine (since I just started to discuss with my contacts).
So that makes total sense to favor the 2 others which seem solid. :-)

Anyway I always said 2019 or later. I stick to this.

Jehan

> Which would be great since we have both 2018 and 2019 covered for now.
>
>>
>> I don't even want to
>> search for 2018 because it is too close now and don't want to rush
>> things. My stance won't change there, so Paris is *not* for 2018.
>
>
> Ok!
>
> Louis
>>
>>
>> Jehan
>>
>> > Let’s see what others think.
>> >
>> > Louis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-05-09 7:49 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> (And given how much time had passed and the uncertain provenance of the
>> >> proposal document, it certainly would have been good for me to confirm
>> >> that.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> In light of this new information, let's temporarily suspend voting.
>> >>> I've
>> >>> asked the Milan folks about whether they could do 2018 instead, and,
>> >>> if so,
>> >>> I will propose swapping.
>> >>>
>> >>> I also apologize for the confusion. I'm not sure who wrote the
>> >>> original
>> >>> venue proposal document, but it showed dates in April of next year, so
>> >>> I
>> >>> didn't discuss that in my recheck call with Soenke a few weeks ago.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> big misunderstanding on my part, I thought that you would vote on the
>> >>>> venue first, then we'd go for picking a date that works best for
>> >>>> everyone. But if there's interest in working with regional partners,
>> >>>> coop with the (amazing) demoscene event etc, then 2019 would make a
>> >>>> lot more sense for us. At least if LGM is a second-quarter event.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I had written funding-wise I think we'd be able to get similar
>> >>>> support, i.e. low / no venue cost etc.  Hope this doesn't confuse
>> >>>> things too much - but since Zoe seems ready to roll for 2018, maybe
>> >>>> that's a way to proceed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> bestest, apologies for whatever confusion this creates.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Soenke
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2017-05-09 8:23 GMT+02:00 Soenke Zehle <soenke at kein.org>:
>> >>>> > Hi all,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > happy to answer whatever questions you may have. We didn't mean to
>> >>>> > push but depending on the likely scope of the event it does need a
>> >>>> > bit
>> >>>> > of organizing time.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > We also really enjoyed the discussion about Paris because we feel
>> >>>> > that
>> >>>> > especially now we need to make sure that cross-border cooperation
>> >>>> > is
>> >>>> > something we want and are comfortable with. Whatever you think
>> >>>> > about
>> >>>> > the EU, Europe works at the grassroots level, and because we have
>> >>>> > colleagues in Metz (incl. http://tcrm-blida.com/) and Luxembourg
>> >>>> > (http://www.rockhal.lu/rocklab/, http://www.technoport.lu), each
>> >>>> > about
>> >>>> > an hour away, we would like them to act as co-hosts to whatever
>> >>>> > extent
>> >>>> > possible, linking the event to their local FLOSS dynamics and
>> >>>> > possible
>> >>>> > developing satellite events there. Jehan, if this would interest
>> >>>> > you
>> >>>> > and your colleagues, let's talk (regardless of whether we end up
>> >>>> > doing
>> >>>> > this in 2018 or 2019).
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Frank, after talking to my colleagues we feel that we would have
>> >>>> > similar co-funding opportunities for 2019, all of which remain to
>> >>>> > be
>> >>>> > confirmed of course. So I really want to emphasize that 2018 and
>> >>>> > 2019
>> >>>> > are both ok options for us. If 2018, first or second quarter might
>> >>>> > be
>> >>>> > a bit ambititious though, Sept would probably work better. For
>> >>>> > 2019,
>> >>>> > however, there would be more time to synch an LGM with
>> >>>> > https://2017.revision-party.net/ which always occurs (not which is
>> >>>> > always carefully organized by a group of highly committed people).
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Best,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Soenke
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > 2017-05-08 20:54 GMT+02:00 Frank Trampe <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >> Good call on adding the links.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> We ought at least to build out a branding-compatible template for
>> >>>> >> next
>> >>>> >> year's website before handing off to local organizers, so I've
>> >>>> >> started a new
>> >>>> >> thread to get a web team together and to find our branding
>> >>>> >> elements.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jehan Pagès
>> >>>> >> <jehan.marmottard at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Frank Trampe
>> >>>> >>> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> > Per Lara's suggestion, I have opened an Etherpad document here
>> >>>> >>> > (
>> >>>> >>> > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LGM_2018_Venue_Poll ) to
>> >>>> >>> > record
>> >>>> >>> > votes
>> >>>> >>> > prior
>> >>>> >>> > to the IRC chat, and I have voted. I encourage others to do so
>> >>>> >>> > as
>> >>>> >>> > soon
>> >>>> >>> > as
>> >>>> >>> > possible.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> I have read both propositions and voted yes to both.
>> >>>> >>> Also I added the links to the proposals on the pad as well, so
>> >>>> >>> that
>> >>>> >>> people don't have to dig in the ML history to find these.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> > Per Louis's suggestion, I set the deadline for the 2019
>> >>>> >>> > question a
>> >>>> >>> > week
>> >>>> >>> > later so that we can focus on 2018 over the next week or so.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Good. A week is ok. But there is no reason to delay much more. So
>> >>>> >>> that's a good delay choice. :-)
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> What would be really good as the next step for the 2018 LGM
>> >>>> >>> (Saarbruecken if we agree on this, which seem like it will be the
>> >>>> >>> case) will be that as soon as the vote is over, a new Wordpress
>> >>>> >>> is
>> >>>> >>> installed under 2018/ on the web server, not public yet (or at
>> >>>> >>> least
>> >>>> >>> not the default redirection) and an admin account could be given
>> >>>> >>> to
>> >>>> >>> the local team for them to design it. Ideally in the next few
>> >>>> >>> months,
>> >>>> >>> a brand new website at Saarbruecken colors could be up and
>> >>>> >>> publicly
>> >>>> >>> visible with the basic information (the kind of information from
>> >>>> >>> the
>> >>>> >>> proposal is a start). This should also help for funding to have a
>> >>>> >>> web
>> >>>> >>> presence.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Jehan
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> P.S.: thanks Frank for making this all in the public mailing
>> >>>> >>> list.
>> >>>> >>> As
>> >>>> >>> you know, I really much appreciate this! :-)
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Louis Desjardins
>> >>>> >>> > <louis.desjardins at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> 2017-05-08 11:15 GMT-04:00 Frank Trampe
>> >>>> >>> >> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>> The reason that I'm trying to push this along is that Soenke
>> >>>> >>> >>> from
>> >>>> >>> >>> Saarbruecken had mentioned that he would probably need to
>> >>>> >>> >>> start
>> >>>> >>> >>> the
>> >>>> >>> >>> formal
>> >>>> >>> >>> process on some of the grants by the beginning of June.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Hi Frank,
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> It’s very much appreciated that you push this.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> With no intention of slowing things down, my take is we should
>> >>>> >>> >> stick to
>> >>>> >>> >> our voting process. What has become urgent can be treated as
>> >>>> >>> >> such.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Keeping the focus on Saarbruecken for the 2018 decision in a
>> >>>> >>> >> timely
>> >>>> >>> >> manner
>> >>>> >>> >> for the host is the way to go, IMO.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Once 2018 has the go, we can concentrate on 2019. Which can
>> >>>> >>> >> happen also
>> >>>> >>> >> as
>> >>>> >>> >> quickly as possible.
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Thanks for raising the flag!
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >> Louis
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>> What sort of additional information would you like to request
>> >>>> >>> >>> from the
>> >>>> >>> >>> hosts? I already verified that the information in their
>> >>>> >>> >>> proposals was
>> >>>> >>> >>> still
>> >>>> >>> >>> valid, and, since they're already being so generous with
>> >>>> >>> >>> their
>> >>>> >>> >>> time, I
>> >>>> >>> >>> don't
>> >>>> >>> >>> want to subject them to any unnecessary repetition.
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>> I may be in transit at the time of the proposed meeting next
>> >>>> >>> >>> week.
>> >>>> >>> >>> Would
>> >>>> >>> >>> somebody save a chat log? And could we elaborate in advance
>> >>>> >>> >>> what
>> >>>> >>> >>> alternative
>> >>>> >>> >>> courses of action would be discussed?
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno
>> >>>> >>> >>> <gwidion at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 8 May 2017 at 11:30, Frank Trampe
>> >>>> >>> >>>> <frank.trampe at gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > (This is the first time that we've done this on the main
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > list
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > rather
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > than
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > the organization list, I think, so bear with me.)
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > LGM has received hosting proposals from Saarbruecken and
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Milan for
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > and 2019 events. Both proposals are very strong and
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > combine
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > exciting
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > locations and facilities with interested and supportive
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > local
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > communities,
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > and so I believe that it makes sense to accept both of
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > them.
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > The
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Saarbruecken team have some significant fundraising
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > opportunities
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > may
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > only be available for 2018, though, so it makes sense, at
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > least to
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > me,
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > we meet in Saarbruecken in 2018 and Milan in 2019.
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > As such, I propose the following motion:
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > The Libre Graphics Meeting will take place in Saarbruecken
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > in
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > 2018
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > with
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Soenke Zehle as lead local organizer and in Milan in 2019
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > with Zoe
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > Romano as
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > lead local organizer.
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Frank - I thank you for acting as an embassador to the
>> >>>> >>> >>>> proponents
>> >>>> >>> >>>> of both venues,
>> >>>> >>> >>>> but before casting  a "formal vote" - or whatever- I think
>> >>>> >>> >>>> it
>> >>>> >>> >>>> would
>> >>>> >>> >>>> be
>> >>>> >>> >>>> nice to have the direct
>> >>>> >>> >>>> "voice" of both proponents in an updated e-mail on this list
>> >>>> >>> >>>> :-)
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> Tehn we could do one thing I not do for the 2017 conference
>> >>>> >>> >>>> and
>> >>>> >>> >>>> that
>> >>>> >>> >>>> was
>> >>>> >>> >>>> pointed
>> >>>> >>> >>>> as the main motive for the small size of this years issue:
>> >>>> >>> >>>> we
>> >>>> >>> >>>> do a
>> >>>> >>> >>>> live meeting on
>> >>>> >>> >>>> IRC to debate the pros and cons of either proposal (or
>> >>>> >>> >>>> another
>> >>>> >>> >>>> approach)
>> >>>> >>> >>>> - and
>> >>>> >>> >>>> settle for that.
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> In oder not to stall things, I propose the date-time for
>> >>>> >>> >>>> this
>> >>>> >>> >>>> meeting
>> >>>> >>> >>>> to
>> >>>> >>> >>>> be
>> >>>> >>> >>>> at 21h00 C.E.T. next Thursday (May, the 11th) on freenode
>> >>>> >>> >>>> #LGM.
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>> (We don't have to decide the venue this week - and we have
>> >>>> >>> >>>> had
>> >>>> >>> >>>> more
>> >>>> >>> >>>> people
>> >>>> >>> >>>> talking here than over the last several months  - but this
>> >>>> >>> >>>> things
>> >>>> >>> >>>> could be discussed
>> >>>> >>> >>>> live)
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> >>>>   js
>> >>>> >>> >>>>  -><-
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's very important that we resolve this in a timely
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > fashion
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > so
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > that
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > our
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > hosts can begin planning, scheduling, networking, and
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > fundraising.
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > It's also
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > important that we get positive responses here; silence is
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > not
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > a
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > very
>> >>>> >>> >>>> > reassuring form of endorsement.
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>> >>>> >
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