[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Killed the ButtonBar in slide sorter

Mirek M. mazelm at gmail.com
Thu Sep 27 00:47:34 PDT 2012

Hi Astron,

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Stefan Knorr <heinzlesspam at gmail.com>wrote:

> ...
> (Btw,
> I think Mirek is proposing a new toolbar – not reusing the Presentation
> toolbar which doesn't provide functionality for hiding slides and
> duplicating slides, only for starting the slide show. I should let Mirek
> clarify that, though, I guess...)

I'm suggesting reusing the Presentation toolbar (under the name "Slide
toolbar", since its actions apply to the current slide, not the whole
presentation) with the "Duplicate slide" button shown by default. If we see
the need, we could show a "Hide slide" button as well.

If you're afraid about the lack of association between the slide pane and
the toolbar, which should sit right below it, I suppose we could tie the
toolbar to the slide pane, similarly to the Navigator and the Styles
dialog, only with the toolbar on the bottom.
I would prefer to stick with a traditional toolbar for now, though, due to
its large icons, its flexibility (no width restriction), and the ease of
just moving a toolbar we already have.

I should also mention the response we received on Google+ to moving the
toolbar below the sidepane:
"Well... here are my "impressions". It seems consistent, as the actions of
adding slide and layouts are directly related to the slide pane. I honestly
never used the buttons of this bar, except for the start presentation, but
even this I use to hit F5 and it's done... But with the panel below the
pane, it really became useful. The only thing I would suggest if you guys
follow this way is to keep the eyes on a little of redundancy that it's
happening with some impress controls. For example, if I want to add a new
slide, I can do it by the Insert menu, by the icon on the presentation
toolbar and by right clicking on the panel. If I want to change the layout
of the slide, I can do it by right clicking on the slide, by using the
presentation toolbar and by the tasks pane, on the layouts box... So if by
one side it's nice to have more than one alternative, by the other it makes
the interface a little heavy.... I really believe that if one day we could
say goodbye to the entire task panel... I think that most of the itens
sorted there could be presented as icons with a popup layout, as it happens
on the presentation, we only need to see these information when we will
apply them, which means a selection and a click. After this, we don't need
to see them again, they can be minimized as an Icon. I hope you understand
all this, because I'm from Brazil and my English may not be very clear :P"
-- Mateus Machado Luna
I agree wholeheartedly.
I would love for the toolbar to become the place users could rely on to
find all their commands, as I've stated many times before.

P.S. I suggested to make a new toolbar with  "Rotate", "Position and Size",
"Alignment", "Arrange", and "Interaction", since they don't belong under
"Drawing". I suggested to place this toolbar to the right of the toolbar
below the Standard toolbar, which also tends to carry commands related to
the selection.
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