minutes of ESC call ...
Michael Meeks
michael.meeks at suse.com
Fri Oct 26 02:53:37 PDT 2012
* Present:
+ Eike, David, Kendy, Astron, Markus, Stephan, Caolan,
Bjoern, Michael M, Kohei, Thorsten, Joel
* Completed Action Items
+ fdo#55290 - master doesn't install on windows (dtardon)
+ build a list of Certified / developer names for Italo (Michael)
+ Kendy + Stephan + Bjoern => new L3 certification committee.
* Pending Action Items
+ create a new AmbitiousHacks wiki page, based on GSOC page (Michael M)
+ issues to look into if we can
+ fdo#34548 - review Michael's patch (Thorsten)
+ fdo#55360 - mac specific text issue (Thorsten)
+ fdo#51023 - impress D&D crasher - (Radek)
+ set updater to get 3.5.0/1 -> 3.6.2 (Kendy)
+ create script / suggestions to parse Meeks minutes (Bjoern)
+ font bundling and gerrit fun with Astron (Andras)
+ patch / improvements coming from Astron
+ audit set of new / built-in fonts (Caolan)
+ get more details wrt. new hardware & connect (Norbert / Sophie)
* UI / design update (Astron)
+ discussion on the list, can we exchange the existing colors
for the tango colors ?
AI: + provide a new palette based on Tango (Alex?)
+ problems around not being able to select colors that
are in a cell ? (Markus)
+ colors in the document - can't easily get back to
the previous palette.
AI: + ask UX advise how to improve color management UI team (Markus)
+ should we add existing colors in the doc. to the list ?
+ can we use the a new color selection dialog mockup ?
+ tools->options for color selection.
+ image / corner scaling should keep aspect ratio to be fixed.
+ would love it to be fixed / file a bug for it ? (Astron)
+ need developer input on options dialog re-work
+ a number of hard cases:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2012-October/001468.html
AI: + setup call for designs for FOSDEM T-shirts (Astron)
+ best if not generically branded though
* Release Engineering update (Fridrich)
+ 3.5.7 - retrospective / thoughts
+ released last week after small delay
+ found show-stopper before release
+ 3.6.3 rc2 status
+ tag for 3.6.3rc2 made, almost all are up-loaded to pre-releases
+ waiting for Mac/Intel, mirror sync is started
+ 36 hours to announce / early evening/next week
+ bug-reporting assistant / wiki mismatch
+ all solved - thanks to Cloph & Rob Snelders
* Submodules / retrospective (Norbert?)
+ love it though it broke all the tinderboxes (Thorsten)
* What makes software good software (Lionel)
+ some concerns from integrators / deployers around speed
of release
+ tried to get to the bottom of this
+ concerns around different regressions across major
versions
+ desire for long-term support without any cost
+ an LTS version with bug-fixes etc.
+ this service / tedious work is provided in return for cash
which helps improve the ecosystem (Kendy)
+ some distros already do it - and back-port only
security issues (Lionel)
+ that wouldn't do it for these guys (Joel)
+ we're trying to improve quality generally, lots of ideas:
'sponsored unit tests' eg. otherwise either do it yourself,
pay for it, or persuade someone (Caolan)
+ they're trying persuasion here
+ happy to support new volunteers to do an LTS release if they want to.
+ concerned about stranding regressions that stop people upgrading
+ could create bug bounties for such regressions ? (Bjoern)
+ perhaps these scale to small sums nicely ?
+ how many are still listed UNCONFIRMED ? (Joel)
+ very rare for 'regression' to be in whiteboard status
+ Rob Snelders had a plan around getting
"is it a regression" into the BSA
* Proposed easy-hacks -> Easy Hacks (Joel)
+ Building a reasonable backlog of 'proposed easy hacks'
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=147895&status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=ProposedEasyHack&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&product=LibreOffice
+ Request for developers to poke at:
+ is it an easy hack ?
+ get some code pointers into them
+ use of 'proposed easy hacks' as a pointer to do it later (Lionel)
+ could we defer filling out the task details until someone asks ? (Joel)
+ if asked could get details in a few days (Lionel)
+ big preference for mentoring / deeper discussion on
the mailing list not in bugzilla (Kohei)
AI: + Do some triage as to who would be a good mentor ? (Bjoern)
AI: + re-visit next week / or so post conference (us)
* Easy hacks (Bjoern)
+ could we promote 3-4 of our own easy-hacks on twitter each ?
+ wiki is already upgraded, but keeps the old style markup with
an extension; worth going through and updating that syntax (Thorsten)
+ for anyone with lots of time on hands - we could improve / get
inspired by:
+ http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ and/or
+ http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/
* Daylight saving:
+ coming up to daylight saving time - US out of sync. for 1 week
+ Oct 28th - clocks change;
+ move the meeting to 15:00 UTC next week
* QA update (Joel / Bjoern)
+ ideas under discussion for localising the BSA
+ getting localised bugs to the local mailing list
so they can be de-duplicated
+ to encourage French + Brazilian users
+ why just English (Lionel)
+ confusion around hard-hacks
* Hard Hacks:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
+ fdo#48569 - crash in .docx saving thanks to Caolan.
+ fdo#40594 - add to the live list of five.
AI: + re-order / update the HardHacks page (Joel)
* Open 3.7 MAB / regressions [ there should be none ]:
+ 3 (of 14) older 2/13
+ fdo#55290 - LOdev 3.7 won't install [ on Windows ]. Error 1935 (dtardon)
+ more progress thanks to David.
+ fdo#55570 - significant autocorrect slow-down (Stephan)
+ fdo#56291 - saving spreadsheets with passwd looses content (Markus)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1
* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
+ 33 (of 139) older 30/132 27/127 44/139 46/137 45/132 44/127 39/119 27/96
24% 23% 21% 32% 34% 34% 35% 33% 28%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1
* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
+ 75 open (of 278) older 77/279 78/278 81/279 82/279 83/279 80/270 81/269
27% 28% 28% 29% 29% 30% 30% 30%
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1
* 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression'
+ 176(+1) bugs open of 872(+9) total
* ~Component count net *
+ Writer - 75 (+3)
+ Presentation - 21 (+3)
+ Crashes - 16 (+1)
+ Database - 14 (+0)
+ Drawing - 13 (+0)
+ LibreOffice - 12 (+0)
+ Borders - 12 (+0)
+ Spreadsheet - 12 (-5)
+ Migration - 7 (+1)
+ Basic - 2 (+0)
+ Writer / RTF - 2 (+0)
+ https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
+ Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489
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