Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019
Ilmari Lauhakangas
ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org
Wed Mar 18 09:18:22 UTC 2020
I will include a message from Jan-Marek, who is unable to use mail
currently. He wants to point out that tooltips can be accessed via
accessibility APIs at least on Linux.
Ilmari
Jan-Marek says:
It took me about 15m to write a python at spi program, which will react
to tooltip events on Linux:
#!/usr/bin/python3
import pyatspi
def f(e):
if not e.source or e.source.getRole() != pyatspi.ROLE_TOOL_TIP:
return
# e.detail1 = 1: show / = 0: hide
print(e)
pyatspi.Registry.registerEventListener(f, "object:state-changed:visible")
pyatspi.Registry.start()
Just install the python3-pyatspi package of your preferred distro and
start the little program.
This is obviously just a very minimal POC, but it can be easily extended
to just filter events from LO.
If I read
https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2/AtkGuide/MSAA
correctly, MSAA also has show events for tooltips.
Miguel Teixeira kirjoitti 17.3.2020 klo 18.26:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De: *Miguel Teixeira* <miguel.teixeira at poli.ufrj.br
> <mailto:miguel.teixeira at poli.ufrj.br>>
> Date: seg., 16 de mar. de 2020 às 10:59
> Subject: Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019
> To: Olivier Hallot <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>
> Cc: Ilmari Lauhakangas <ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org
> <mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org>>, Daniel Silva
> <daniel.lipe at poli.ufrj.br <mailto:daniel.lipe at poli.ufrj.br>>, Lidiana
> Souza dos Anjos <lidianasouza at poli.ufrj.br
> <mailto:lidianasouza at poli.ufrj.br>>, Fernando Gonçalves Severo
> <severo at cos.ufrj.br <mailto:severo at cos.ufrj.br>>, Henrique Luiz
> Cukierman <hcukier at cos.ufrj.br <mailto:hcukier at cos.ufrj.br>>, Pedro
> Braga <pedrohcbufrj at gmail.com <mailto:pedrohcbufrj at gmail.com>>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> *
> *
>
> I apologize forthe delay in answering.
>
> Current assistive technologies favor better accessibility for the blind
> people. There is no such thing as a "Braille language" or "Braille
> culture". A blind person does not need to communicate through a
> "different language" or adapt to a new language that depends directly on
> a sense that he does not have and a diferent culture. Before they learn
> to write, children, in general, learn to speak. For example, a blind
> person can learn to speak a language just as children learn by listening
> to other people speak. A deaf person often learns to communicate through
> a language only after older ages (for example, many deaf people in
> Brazil only learn LIBRAS after the age of 18). In the case of deaf
> people, there is a different language and culture. A simple literal
> translation of textual elements of the interface may not be such an
> interesting idea (but in some cases it can be useful). Here, there is an
> issue where, a simple adaptation of something that already exists (like
> the current accessibility APIs) can serve as a "quick fix", but that
> does not mean that it is the best option.
>
> *
> *
>
> I attached a PDF file talking a little more about this subject.
>
> *
> *
>
> *
> *
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Miguel.
>
>
> Em sex., 13 de mar. de 2020 às 12:54, Olivier Hallot
> <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>
> escreveu:
>
> Olá Miguel
>
> It is fundamental to clarify why the current assistive technologies are
> unable to address the issue of the deafs. It has been asked in IRC and
> the response has not been seen. The project will be analyzed by
> knowledgeable people.
>
> Ilmari is in copy, please switch to English and keep Ilmarin the loop.
> Professor Henrique Cukierman should also be in the loop.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Olivier
>
> Em 12/03/2020 16:27, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
> > Olá Olivier,
> >
> > Estamos animados com a sua mensagem. Vamos preparar um dossier para
> > financiamento do LIBRASOffice assim como fizemos para o MIT.
> > Vamos aproveitar boa parte do que fizemos para o MIT, mas mesmo
> assim,
> > não conseguiremos te entregar até o dia de hoje ou amanhã. Dou
> previsão
> > para entrega do dossier até a próxima quarta-feira, mas pode ser
> que já
> > esteja pronto, por exemplo, no próximo domingo. Existe algum
> problema em
> > entregarmos na próxima quarta-feira?
> >
> > Cordialmente,
> > Miguel Teixeira.
> >
> >
> > Em qui., 12 de mar. de 2020 às 07:00, Olivier Hallot
> > <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>
> <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > Olá Miguel
> >
> > Vocês tem condições de preparar um dossier para financiamento do
> > LibrasOffice, assim como fizeram para o MIT? Trocaria MIT
> por TDF (The
> > Document Foundation).
> >
> > Creio que pode haver um caminho de financiamento a ser
> explorado, e a
> > experiencia do MIT pode ajudar a convencer.
> >
> > Será importante ter um cronograma de entregas, e programa de
> desembolso,
> > tamanho de equipe, bolsas e tudo mais. Vejo um horizonte de
> seis meses
> > de atividades para duas pessoas.
> >
> > OK?
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Em 11/03/2020 20:43, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
> > > Olá Olivier,
> > >
> > > Segue o link do vídeo usado no Solve MIT - 2019
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAWjRV0dTw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Olivier Hallot
> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > Comunidade LibreOffice
> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
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> >
>
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