Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019
Miguel Teixeira
miguel.teixeira at poli.ufrj.br
Thu Mar 26 02:59:01 UTC 2020
Hi,
I apologize for the delay in replying.
Thank you so much for this. This opens up some horizons for our project.
This is a good example of how group work can improve things. To do what
Jan-Marek's nearly 10 python lines do, we were making some changes to the
LibreOffice core and waiting a few hours for a build.
I mean, "almost group work", because Jan-Marek has done most of it, giving
us a code example and pointing a link to a documentation.
I'm already doing some experiments using the documentation. Thank you all.
Is there a possibility of TDF through developers/mentors to help us with
the creation of this application? This application would be a screen reader
for sign language optimized for the use of office applications
(LibreOffice, mainly).
Is there a possibility of this being a new TDF project or a project in
partnership with TDF?
Thank you very much for your attention and again, I apologize for the delay
in replying
Best regards,
Miguel.
Em qua., 18 de mar. de 2020 às 06:18, Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org> escreveu:
> I will include a message from Jan-Marek, who is unable to use mail
> currently. He wants to point out that tooltips can be accessed via
> accessibility APIs at least on Linux.
>
> Ilmari
>
> Jan-Marek says:
>
> It took me about 15m to write a python at spi program, which will react
> to tooltip events on Linux:
>
> #!/usr/bin/python3
>
> import pyatspi
>
> def f(e):
> if not e.source or e.source.getRole() != pyatspi.ROLE_TOOL_TIP:
> return
> # e.detail1 = 1: show / = 0: hide
> print(e)
>
> pyatspi.Registry.registerEventListener(f, "object:state-changed:visible")
> pyatspi.Registry.start()
>
> Just install the python3-pyatspi package of your preferred distro and
> start the little program.
>
> This is obviously just a very minimal POC, but it can be easily extended
> to just filter events from LO.
>
> If I read
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/Documentation/GNOME2/AtkGuide/MSAA
> correctly, MSAA also has show events for tooltips.
>
> Miguel Teixeira kirjoitti 17.3.2020 klo 18.26:
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > De: *Miguel Teixeira* <miguel.teixeira at poli.ufrj.br
> > <mailto:miguel.teixeira at poli.ufrj.br>>
> > Date: seg., 16 de mar. de 2020 às 10:59
> > Subject: Re: LIBRASOffice - Vídeo - Solve MIT 2019
> > To: Olivier Hallot <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> > <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>
> > Cc: Ilmari Lauhakangas <ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org
> > <mailto:ilmari.lauhakangas at libreoffice.org>>, Daniel Silva
> > <daniel.lipe at poli.ufrj.br <mailto:daniel.lipe at poli.ufrj.br>>, Lidiana
> > Souza dos Anjos <lidianasouza at poli.ufrj.br
> > <mailto:lidianasouza at poli.ufrj.br>>, Fernando Gonçalves Severo
> > <severo at cos.ufrj.br <mailto:severo at cos.ufrj.br>>, Henrique Luiz
> > Cukierman <hcukier at cos.ufrj.br <mailto:hcukier at cos.ufrj.br>>, Pedro
> > Braga <pedrohcbufrj at gmail.com <mailto:pedrohcbufrj at gmail.com>>
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > I apologize forthe delay in answering.
> >
> > Current assistive technologies favor better accessibility for the blind
> > people. There is no such thing as a "Braille language" or "Braille
> > culture". A blind person does not need to communicate through a
> > "different language" or adapt to a new language that depends directly on
> > a sense that he does not have and a diferent culture. Before they learn
> > to write, children, in general, learn to speak. For example, a blind
> > person can learn to speak a language just as children learn by listening
> > to other people speak. A deaf person often learns to communicate through
> > a language only after older ages (for example, many deaf people in
> > Brazil only learn LIBRAS after the age of 18). In the case of deaf
> > people, there is a different language and culture. A simple literal
> > translation of textual elements of the interface may not be such an
> > interesting idea (but in some cases it can be useful). Here, there is an
> > issue where, a simple adaptation of something that already exists (like
> > the current accessibility APIs) can serve as a "quick fix", but that
> > does not mean that it is the best option.
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > I attached a PDF file talking a little more about this subject.
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> > Miguel.
> >
> >
> > Em sex., 13 de mar. de 2020 às 12:54, Olivier Hallot
> > <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>
>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > Olá Miguel
> >
> > It is fundamental to clarify why the current assistive technologies
> are
> > unable to address the issue of the deafs. It has been asked in IRC
> and
> > the response has not been seen. The project will be analyzed by
> > knowledgeable people.
> >
> > Ilmari is in copy, please switch to English and keep Ilmarin the
> loop.
> > Professor Henrique Cukierman should also be in the loop.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > Em 12/03/2020 16:27, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
> > > Olá Olivier,
> > >
> > > Estamos animados com a sua mensagem. Vamos preparar um dossier
> para
> > > financiamento do LIBRASOffice assim como fizemos para o MIT.
> > > Vamos aproveitar boa parte do que fizemos para o MIT, mas mesmo
> > assim,
> > > não conseguiremos te entregar até o dia de hoje ou amanhã. Dou
> > previsão
> > > para entrega do dossier até a próxima quarta-feira, mas pode ser
> > que já
> > > esteja pronto, por exemplo, no próximo domingo. Existe algum
> > problema em
> > > entregarmos na próxima quarta-feira?
> > >
> > > Cordialmente,
> > > Miguel Teixeira.
> > >
> > >
> > > Em qui., 12 de mar. de 2020 às 07:00, Olivier Hallot
> > > <olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> > <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>
> > <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org
> > <mailto:olivier.hallot at libreoffice.org>>>
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > > Olá Miguel
> > >
> > > Vocês tem condições de preparar um dossier para financiamento
> do
> > > LibrasOffice, assim como fizeram para o MIT? Trocaria MIT
> > por TDF (The
> > > Document Foundation).
> > >
> > > Creio que pode haver um caminho de financiamento a ser
> > explorado, e a
> > > experiencia do MIT pode ajudar a convencer.
> > >
> > > Será importante ter um cronograma de entregas, e programa de
> > desembolso,
> > > tamanho de equipe, bolsas e tudo mais. Vejo um horizonte de
> > seis meses
> > > de atividades para duas pessoas.
> > >
> > > OK?
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Em 11/03/2020 20:43, Miguel Teixeira escreveu:
> > > > Olá Olivier,
> > > >
> > > > Segue o link do vídeo usado no Solve MIT - 2019
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVAWjRV0dTw
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Olivier Hallot
> > > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > > Comunidade LibreOffice
> > > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> > > http://tdf.io/joinus
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Olivier Hallot
> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > Comunidade LibreOffice
> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> > http://tdf.io/joinus
> >
> >
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