[pulseaudio-discuss] card: Only set active_profile with available profile

Tanu Kaskinen tanu.kaskinen at linux.intel.com
Mon Nov 18 23:37:18 PST 2013

On Mon, 2013-11-18 at 16:51 +0200, Luiz Augusto von Dentz wrote:
> Hi Tanu,
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tanu Kaskinen
> <tanu.kaskinen at linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2013-11-17 at 17:53 +0200, Luiz Augusto von Dentz wrote:
> >> Hi Colin, Tanu,
> >>
> >> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Colin Guthrie <gmane at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
> >> > 'Twas brillig, and Tanu Kaskinen at 16/11/13 08:51 did gyre and gimble:
> >> >> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 09:31 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
> >> >> I haven't concentrated on the patches enough to even know what
> >> >> problem you're solving - is it just that the assertion makes you
> >> >> nervous, or is there some other benefit.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not solving any specific problem per-se. I'm just looking at several
> >> > bugs where incorrect profiles appear to be selected by default on first
> >> > boot where HDMI is picked over regular analog output (for those alsa
> >> > cards which share a single card for both HDMI and Analog output rather
> >> > than having it presented as separate cards) despite HDMI having a lower
> >> > priority. This lead me to look at this code and got me thinking - this
> >> > is the only reason for the patch.
> >> >
> >> > A further complication to my current bugs is that sometimes Headphone
> >> > *ports* are picked by default on first boot even when they are
> >> > unavailable and again are not the highest priority port. It seems like
> >> > the same problem but in a different, but similar, part of the code. This
> >> > is why the second set of patches applied the same logical fixes to the
> >> > Sink/Source code that Luiz added to the Card profiles. I think it makes
> >> > sense to keep these bits of code approximately in sync regardless of the
> >> > outcome of this discussion - the same logic should apply.
> >>
> >> I can try and apply the same logic to Sink/Source, it just that
> >> overall this kind of policy should be in one place or then remove it
> >> altogether and make sure the list is always ordered by their module so
> >> the core should just pick the first one, the problem we were trying to
> >> solve was that there is no hook for priority changes thus they are
> >> considered static which is probably why we are relying on
> >> pa_card_set_profile_available +
> >> changes.
> >>
> >> So perhaps we should came to an agreement where and how we should be
> >> doing this sort of policy, we could perhaps generalize
> >> module-bluetooth-policy, or do we want to continue with per technology
> >> policy?
> >
> > I don't think the policy in module-bluetooth-policy is useful outside
> > Bluetooth. module-bluetooth-policy is mainly concerned with the
> > transport state in its policy, and the profile availability is only used
> > as a proxy for the transport state. I'd be happy if
> > module-bluetooth-policy would be changed so that instead of using the
> > profile states, it would directly track the transport states using the
> > APIs that pa_bluez_discovery provides. But since using the profile
> > states as a proxy works fine too, I'm not really asking anyone to do
> > anything about that.
> >
> > From the proposed changes, I think Colin's patches 1 and 3 make sense.
> > Preferring PA_AVAILABLE_YES over PA_AVAILABLE_UNKNOWN in generic code
> > isn't a good idea.
> Im having a hard time to understand why any policy would prefer a
> profile that is less likely to work than another,

If you have a "bad" (not very well suited for the use case) profile and
a "good" (very well suited for the use case) profile, and the
probability of the "bad" profile working is 100% and the probability of
the "good" profile working is 99%, do you really see no reason to choose
the "good" profile?

> but perhaps we are
> not willing the mess with other parts of the code that were using this
> information in a different way. But then why we are bothering
> selecting any profile on pa_card_new? This is a policy decision and it
> seems we are not able to do a generic one so it should not even try,
> pick the first and be done with it.

Yes, it's a policy decision. I would prefer pa_card_new() to always
choose the "off" profile by default, but that would require work in
policy modules to keep old use cases working. For example, on the first
boot of a PC something else than "off" should be selected for the sound
card, and currently we don't have any policy module that would ensure

> Anyway if pa_card_new do not select 'off' by default it pretty much
> breaks Bluetooth qualification and if I change the priority of 'off'
> profile to force it to be selected it breaks module-bluetooth-policy.

Can you tell the Bluetooth qualification requirement that is failing? If
it's something HFGW specific, you should be able to implement the
desired policy in module-bluetooth-policy, without modifying


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