[systemd-devel] Antw: Re: Antw: Re: /etc/fstab obsolete?

[Ulrich Windl]

Hi!

I agree to almost everything, except:

The handling of /etc/fstab is a true mess. Maybe other config files are handles similarly, but I haven't discovered.
For some reason SLES does not set up a German keyboard in the mergency shell (just to make things worse). I had opened a service request for that as well.
Systemd "over-reacts" in most cases, like when being unable to find some mount that root unmounted. Bringing the system to emergency mode is clearly over-reacting.

I have always been a fan of UNIX because of ist conceptual simplicity, meaning it was easy to understand what's going on and how things work (very much opposed to MS Windows, for example).
For me systemd simply isn't UNIX.

Regards,
Ulrich

>>> Frank Steiner <fsteiner-mail1 at bio.ifi.lmu.de> schrieb am 28.08.2019 um 15:13 in
Nachricht <1b33c3a8-741f-2567-fe8c-9f1f4556889b at bio.ifi.lmu.de>:
> Ulrich,
> 
> I also wasn't happy when SLES switched to systemd because it meant
> that I had to learn a lot of new stuff and forget many of the
> knowledge that I head collected over the years for system V.
> 
> But before I switched all my SLES/D 11 systems to SLE 12 I ran
> a test host for about half a year to learn about systemd as much
> as possible before using it in our real environment. I ran into
> many problems (even a few bugs in the systemd version in
> SLE 12 that SuSE fixed for me) and some of them took me quite a
> while to figure out how thinks worked in systemd. I asked a few
> questions here on the list and got helpful answers immediately.
> 
> And after 3-4 months I felt I had learned everything for running
> the things I ran before in system V. And then I could start
> enjoying the advantages of systemd like using drop-ins or
> systemds auto-mount features or writing my first own generator for
> tweaking things the way I like. They really solve a lot of
> drawbacks you had to live with in system V.
> 
> So I'd really recommend to take the time to play around with
> systemd and learn how to use it. Especially in SuSE you will be
> able to do everything the way it worked before, even getting
> a different output for "status" (that we used in some system V
> scripts to get more information than "running" etc.), by tweaking
> /sbin/service or writing a little wrapper for it.
> 
> Refusing to get used to the new system won't help. In SLE 15 almost
> every old reference to system V has been dropped. And you would be
> surprised how much advantages you can get from the new features.
> 
> cu,
> Frank
> 
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