[Tango-artists] Tango-artists Digest, Vol 32, Issue 4

[Marinko Tarlac]

Sorry for asking this but is it possible to use Tango icons in commercial
projects (commercial CMS for example) and in what conditions ?

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:36 PM, <
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>   1. Diary icon (Philip Withnall)
>   2. Re: Tango icon for Phatch (Cube)
>   3. Re: Diary icon (Cube)
>   4. [Fwd: Ekiga desperately needs a few icons] (Andreas Nilsson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:01:33 +0100
> From: Philip Withnall <philip.withnall at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tango-artists] Diary icon
> To: tango-artists at lists.freedesktop.org
> Message-ID: <1211353293.6834.3.camel at KWA-PHILIP-LINUX>
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> Hi,
>
> Having recently released version 0.2 of my diary editor, I was wondering
> if anyone would mind making an icon for it? I don't have any specific
> ideas in mind, although the addition of something on the icon to show
> that the diary can be encrypted might be an idea.
>
> Thanks,
> Philip Withnall
>
> [1]: http://tecnocode.co.uk/projects/diary/
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:33:42 +0200
> From: "Cube" <cube at szypulka.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-artists] Tango icon for Phatch
> To: "'Stani Michiels'" <spe.stani.be at gmail.com>,
>        <tango-artists at lists.freedesktop.org>
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> Hello Stani, I'll forward this message to the Tango mailing list, I hope
> this is O.K.
>
> Yours, Jakub.
>
> MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> ICQ: 264595412
> AIM: aimcube
>
> Skype: cube_s
> Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> Xfire: cubibubi
>
> GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> GaduGadu: 11945489
> IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
>
> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com]
> Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 23:09
> To: Cube
> Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
>
> Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 22:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > Ah, whatever, take GPL & CC-by.
> Thanks! So please in the mails with which you'll send me icons, mention
> you dual-license them for me as GPL and CC-by.
> >
> > Igor = ?
> I've emailed him already. I don't want to rush this as this is very
> delicate for me. I feel a bit bad that I will quit his work. I really
> hope that you'll be able to make all necessary icons for Phatch. If
> necessary, I know other members of the Tango team are also interested.
> If I go to the tango page, I can see again who they are:
> - Hylke Bons
> - Kalle Persson
> - Andreas Nilsson
>
> So I hope we can go for a very nice Phatch 0.2 release. Today I have
> been working on the new backend in order to interface Phatch with other
> graphic programs such as imagemagick (that has so many possiblities),
> gimp (but maybe I want to wait for pygegl), uniconvertor, blender, ...
> First I need to get the architecture ready. This is a huge task.
> Afterwards I will start with imagemagick. This should be for sure in
> 0.2, the rest I will see how time permits.
>
> Best,
> Stani
>
> >
> > Yours, Jakub.
> >
> > MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> > ICQ: 264595412
> > AIM: aimcube
> >
> > Skype: cube_s
> > Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> > Xfire: cubibubi
> >
> > GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> > GaduGadu: 11945489
> > IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
> >
> > ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 22:41
> > To: Cube
> > Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> >
> > Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 21:59 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > > Oh, sorry for double-mailing,
> > No problem ;-)
> > > but i'd prefer by-sa, because then you have in the license that you
> must share it with a comparable license.
> > This would mean I can only relicense my (parts of) my software under the
> > GPL or the CC by-sa license. Unfortunately this is not useful for me. I
> > can only accept dual licensed GPL & CC-by artwork.
> > I hope this is not a problem for you.
> >
> > Stani
> > >
> > > Yours, Jakub.
> > >
> > > MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> > > ICQ: 264595412
> > > AIM: aimcube
> > >
> > > Skype: cube_s
> > > Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> > > Xfire: cubibubi
> > >
> > > GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> > > GaduGadu: 11945489
> > > IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
> > >
> > > ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 15:54
> > > To: Cube
> > > Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> > >
> > > No, not at all. I want to able to embed the icons in gpl code and I
> want
> > > to be able myself (not others) to republish that code in another
> license
> > > as the gpl, which won't be public domain. What would be enough for me
> is
> > > that you dual license the icons with:
> > > - gpl
> > > - Creative Commons Attribution (by)
> > > Does this makes sense?
> > > Stani
> > >
> > > Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 15:34 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > > > So basically you want me to create all the icons, make them GPL but
> allow anyone else to take them and change the license to Public Domain?
> > > >
> > > > Yours, Jakub.
> > > >
> > > > MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> > > > ICQ: 264595412
> > > > AIM: aimcube
> > > >
> > > > Skype: cube_s
> > > > Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> > > > Xfire: cubibubi
> > > >
> > > > GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> > > > GaduGadu: 11945489
> > > > IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
> > > >
> > > > ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2008 14:55
> > > > To: Cube
> > > > Subject: RE: Tango icon for Phatch
> > > >
> > > > Op dinsdag 20-05-2008 om 14:30 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Cube:
> > > > > Hey Stani,
> > > > >
> > > > > perhaps I expressed myself a bit wrong, I'll change them, but the
> metaphor stays.
> > > > Ok
> > > > >
> > > > > You're right with everything else you wrote, but I actually don't
> want them to be public domain. Did Igor release them as public domain?
> > > > Igor gave me the right to publish them under any license I want,
> > > > including public domain. Most artwork of Phatch is embedded in the
> > > > source code so that for example actions, which are plugins, can be
> > > > limited to just one file. As you can see for yourself I add a
> copyright
> > > > notice of the icon author in every source file of the action and I
> > > > specify it as well in the COPYING section. Moreover I include all
> source
> > > > svg's in the tarball, in which the metadata mentions the license and
> the
> > > > author. Finally in the Help>About dialog box, I also mention all
> > > > designers. So don't worry about credits, you'll get plenty. ?Tell me
> > > > which license you prefer. I just need it is compatible with the facts
> > > > that:
> > > > - I can embed the icons in source files
> > > > - These source files will always be available under the GPL, but I
> have
> > > > the right to republish them under any other license
> > > >
> > > > Stani
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yours, Jakub.
> > > > >
> > > > > MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> > > > > ICQ: 264595412
> > > > > AIM: aimcube
> > > > >
> > > > > Skype: cube_s
> > > > > Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> > > > > Xfire: cubibubi
> > > > >
> > > > > GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> > > > > GaduGadu: 11945489
> > > > > IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
> > > > >
> > > > > ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Stani Michiels [mailto:spe.stani.be at gmail.com]
> > > > > Sent: Montag, 19. Mai 2008 23:34
> > > > > To: Jakub Szypulka
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tango icon for Phatch
> > > > >
> > > > > Op maandag 19-05-2008 om 21:05 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jakub
> > > > > Szypulka:
> > > > > > Yep, alright, I'll wait.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm used to not really change the icons but "tangofy" them a bit,
> so the
> > > > > > general idea stays.
> > > > > I think we should look how the other existing tango icons look like
> and
> > > > > design all in the same style. For example Igor (current designer)
> has
> > > > > all the icons in a 3d axonometry. If all other tango icons are flat
> than
> > > > > it would probably be better to have them all flat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure I'd be interested in contributing to PiTiVi! I'd just need
> the
> > > > > > usual stuff: Icon names and sizes.
> > > > > Great. I've put a proposal I want to work on the Pitivi wiki. I am
> still
> > > > > waiting for approval:
> > > > > http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/FrameSeekingSeeking
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know by any chance someone who is good with creating custom
> GTK
> > > > > controls so as for the jog control in the wiki page above?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I must say the Live preview instead of icons idea sounds really
> great, I
> > > > > > could even imagine having the preview to the right (instead of
> current
> > > > > > icon position), text in the middle and an icon to the right! What
> do you
> > > > > > think?
> > > > > Haha, you seem to have the courage to go for all the icons. About
> your
> > > > > proposal, well it depends. If I go for the rhythmbox interface, you
> > > > > would get three columns instead of one now:
> > > > > category | program | action
> > > > >
> > > > > category is: colours, border, transform ...
> > > > > program is: PIL, Imagemagick, Gimp, Blender ...
> > > > > action is: scale, round corners, ...
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you get the idea: compared to music ... category replaces
> genre,
> > > > > program replaces artist and action replaces album/song. So it would
> eat
> > > > > too much space to use both an icon and a preview. The preview could
> > > > > however be a roll-over effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would it be possible to license the icons as public domain so they
> can
> > > > > be part of the openclipart library?
> > > > >
> > > > > Stani
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jakub
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 21:00 +0200, Stani Michiels wrote:
> > > > > > > Op maandag 19-05-2008 om 20:09 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef
> Jakub
> > > > > > > Szypulka:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I need a lot more icons for the actions inside Phatch. Also
> right now I
> > > > > > > > > will work on Phatch 0.2 which will need probably some
> changes in the
> > > > > > > > > interface and some extra art work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, I'd be really interested in creating all icons in Tango.
> > > > > > > That would be awesome.
> > > > > > > > Although
> > > > > > > > Phatch has some unique icons (like many "Action" icons, which
> it would
> > > > > > > > be a pleasure to create), there are already many icons
> created by other
> > > > > > > > Tango artists and I think it would be a better idea to simply
> take them.
> > > > > > > Of course, I don't want you to recreate icons which exists
> already. This
> > > > > > > could distribute the workload. Also some other tango icon
> designers
> > > > > > > showed interest as well, but haven't contacted me so far and I
> don't
> > > > > > > know their names.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So to answer your question, if you only plan to replace the
> Phatch icon,
> > > > > > > > > I am not so interested. If you would be willing to work on
> the artwork
> > > > > > > > > of Phatch as a whole which involves many more icons, it is
> a different
> > > > > > > > > story. In that case I could contact you later when I know
> better what
> > > > > > > > > you need.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's important for me to know which sizes you need, as I need
> to create
> > > > > > > > every icon e.g. four times if you need four sizes (that
> doesn't mean I
> > > > > > > > don't want many sizes, it's just that I need to know what you
> need so
> > > > > > > > that I don't work for nothing).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So, what I'd need right now, is what icons you need and which
> sizes
> > > > > > > > each.
> > > > > > > Well in the current version of Phatch, I only need the action
> icons as
> > > > > > > 48x48 and as svg. But don't start working on it yet. There are
> two
> > > > > > > issues:
> > > > > > > - first I want to talk to Igor, who is the current icon
> designer but has
> > > > > > > a lack of time. I really value every contributions and I want
> to handle
> > > > > > > this in a nice way. How much you would change his icons? Just
> the
> > > > > > > colours a bit?
> > > > > > > - second: as I said things will change in Phatch 0.2. For
> example there
> > > > > > > will be many more actions as it will expose (some) actions
> based on
> > > > > > > imagemagick, Gimp and others... So I probably want to organise
> the
> > > > > > > actions in an rhytmbox like interface where the graphic
> programs are the
> > > > > > > rockstars ;-) Because I was afraid that there would be too many
> actions
> > > > > > > to create icons for, I was considering replacing icons with a
> preview
> > > > > > > image of a fixed source image.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I need to have this clear before you start working. I hope
> you
> > > > > > > understand.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would you also be interested in contributing icons for pitivi?
> As there
> > > > > > > are no icons for video editing (eg frame seeking). Right now
> music
> > > > > > > players icons are used and that is problematic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks a lot,
> > > > > > > Stani
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:35:14 +0200
> From: "Cube" <cube at szypulka.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tango-artists] Diary icon
> To: <philip at tecnocode.co.uk>,   <tango-artists at lists.freedesktop.org>
> Message-ID: <000e01c8bb3f$1e4b3c40$5ae1b4c0$@com>
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>
> Hey Philip,
>
> if no one else is interested, I can give it a try!
>
> Yours, Jakub.
>
> MSN: kubasz at yahoo.com
> ICQ: 264595412
> AIM: aimcube
>
> Skype: cube_s
> Yahoo!IM: kubasz
> Xfire: cubibubi
>
> GTalk: cubibubi at googlemail.com
> GaduGadu: 11945489
> IRC: (Freenode) ``Cube
>
> ? Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tango-artists-bounces at lists.freedesktop.org [mailto:
> tango-artists-bounces at lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of Philip Withnall
> Sent: Mittwoch, 21. Mai 2008 09:02
> To: tango-artists at lists.freedesktop.org
> Subject: [Tango-artists] Diary icon
>
> Hi,
>
> Having recently released version 0.2 of my diary editor, I was wondering if
> anyone would mind making an icon for it? I don't have any specific ideas in
> mind, although the addition of something on the icon to show that the diary
> can be encrypted might be an idea.
>
> Thanks,
> Philip Withnall
>
> [1]: http://tecnocode.co.uk/projects/diary/
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:36:15 +0200
> From: Andreas Nilsson <nisses.mail at home.se>
> Subject: [Tango-artists] [Fwd: Ekiga desperately needs a few icons]
> To: Tango-Mailingliste <tango-artists at lists.freedesktop.org>
> Message-ID: <4834335F.9020601 at home.se>
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>
> Forwarding to tango-artists.
> - Andreas
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