[Xesam] [nepomuk-kde] An open-source project for desktop ontology maintenance

Tue May 5 03:16:13 PDT 2009

In my opinion NEPOMUK project has produced remarkable results. The name
is known to many people and there has been a lot of marketing for it - i
think of the nice logo icons on the soprano site.. ;) We should not
throw that away.

Personally, I think we should stick to the name and start working on
existing tickets. I bet we'd get support from many people for this.
Since there's movement towards the Semantic Desktop also on GNOME we
need to maintain these desktop ontologies collaboratively. What's wrong
with the oscaf repository Leo has created?

On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:56 +0200, Leo Sauermann wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I think the nepomuk/OSCAF sourceforge project that Sebastian Trüg and
> I have created
> for OSCAF a few months ago may help here.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscaf
> 
> we have a code repository where everyone can write who is willing to
> work on it,
> and a ticket system,
> and the authority to officially continue the nepomuk ontologies there,
> backed by the OSCAF foundation.
> 
> the nepomuk ontologies will move there anytime we find enough
> volunteers to 
> work on it, or commercial developers to join OSCAF to work on it. 
> 
> we already have a TRAC for tickets there and I can move the NEPOMUK
> ontologies
> over.
> 
> Still, that doesn't solve the problem of "who is going to do a good
> job here",
> as the problem is not "we have to create a new project",
> we already had that on sourceforge since 20th February 2009,
> the problem is:
> 
> <old wiseguy>
> who is going to work on the 23 tickets that we already know of, which
> were reported
> by Evgeny and I don't have the time to fix them?
> 
> http://dev.nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/wiki/OntologyMaintenance
> 
> in my experience, creating a new project does only swallow worktime
> and discussion time,
> creates fud in all the stakeholders involved, and may drag apart the
> community.
> but does not solve these tickets.
> I would guess that hte first thing a new admin of a new project would
> do is say
> "this has to be simpler than before, all the tickets are garbage
> anyway we need to get rid
> off, so lets start with a blank slate, horray".
> 
> Well, the tickets are there because, after some years of work, these
> are the hardest
> ontology nuts to crack.... and some of them are also from NOKIA guys
> who use
> the ontology for maemo.
> </old wiseguy>
> 
> so, old wiseguy agrees that we must join forces and come to one
> ontology,
> but this does not magically solve the 23 hard-nut problems that are
> unsolved
> since months.
> 
> best
> Leo
> 
> 
> It was Arun Raghavan who said at the right time 04.05.2009 21:30 the
> following words: 
> > 2009/5/4 Sebastian Trüg <trueg at kde.org>:
> >   
> > > Hi guys,
> > > 
> > > maybe you read my blog about Xesam and Nepomuk[1]. In essence I think we
> > > should create a new project which will handle the maintenance of the desktop
> > > ontologies. So far for me this means the Nepomuk ontologies NAO, NIE, and
> > > PIMO.
> > > IMHO it makes perfect sense to have a dedicated project for several reasons:
> > >  * no copies floating around in different project packages
> > >  * one standard that we agree on (I know this is hard)
> > >  * one platform for discussion/bugs and general maintenance
> > >  * One central ontologies package very much like the mimetype package
> > >     
> > 
> > This sounds perfect.
> > 
> >   
> > > I mentioned in my blog that we already created the OSCAF sourceforge
> > > project[2]. Now I don't really care how we name the project. Maybe OSCAF is
> > > not the best name, maybe something very simple like "desktop-ontologies" would
> > >     
> > 
> > I would say that we should reuse one of Xesam or Nepomuk for this. Why
> > add one more buzz-word to an already crowded namespace? :) Besides, it
> > makes it easier to associate the ontology with the project, then.
> > 
> >   
> > > be better. In any case I think using sourceforce (I prefer it since I already
> > > have 3 projects there and was always happy with it) or something similar is a
> > > good idea. We then don't need to spend time on setting up task tracking
> > > systems or mailing lists. We just use what is there.
> > >     
> > 
> > _If_ we agree to keep this effort under the head of Nepomuk or Xesam,
> > I guess we can just reuse the existing infrastructure?
> > 
> > Thanks for taking the initiative on this -- I think it'd be great if
> > we could all quickly converge on how we want to proceed from here, and
> > get the ball rolling.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   
> 
> 
> -- 
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